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"America West Airlines, in an unusual deal, has loaned two of its jets with crews to strike-bound Ansett Airlines, an Australian carrier that owns one-fifth of America West's stock.
The transaction comes at a time when Congress is looking into airline acquisitions, including the relationships between foreign and U.S. airlines. Although the deal hasn't aroused any concern, it is an example of how closely U.S. and foreign airlines can work together.
The deal, a first for Phoenix-based America West, was vital to Ansett, crippled by a 2-month-old labor dispute with its pilots. America West had never leased aircraft to another airline and had to postpone expansion plans to make the Boeing 737s available to Ansett.
Yet America West President Michael Conway said he was happy to help Ansett and has no sympathy for the Australian pilots who quit their jobs after failing to win huge wage increases--an action that shut down virtually all of that nation's domestic flights.
"How can we sit idle when an entire country's transportation system sits idle?" he said.
When its fleet was grounded by the strike against all of Australia's domestic airlines, Ansett had trouble finding the aircraft it needed from charter operators and commercial airlines outside Australia. "The fact that we had this connection with America West enabled us to react very quickly," said Ansett spokesman Peter Young. "Early in the crisis, it was quite critical."
Neither Ansett nor America West would say what Ansett is paying for the planes. Conway insisted that Ansett isn't getting a bargain. "The transaction is at arm's length," he said. "There is no special arrangement."
Foreign ownership of U.S. airlines is limited to 25%, and Ansett's investment in America West fits comfortably within the rule. But some members of Congress are concerned that under foreign control, a U.S. airline might shift its emphasis from service within the United States to international service, ignoring many small American cities.
"It's possible a foreign owner would pull planes out of small cities and use them to feed their overseas flights," Sen. Wendell Ford (D-Ky.) said in an earlier interview.
Concerns about foreign influence recently led to a Transportation Department order that KLM Royal Dutch Airlines reduce its $400-million investment in NWA Inc., parent of Northwest Airlines, to $175 million. Transportation Secretary Samuel K. Skinner said KLM's large investment could give it control over Northwest, even though KLM owned just 5% of the voting stock.
Even so, the transaction between America West and Ansett has attracted little attention, largely because it has been overshadowed by huge, debt-financed takeovers involving foreign airlines, such as the failed $6.75-billion buyout of UAL Corp., parent of United Airlines. The airline was to be acquired by its managers and pilots, with substantial help from British Airways. British Airways has since dropped out of the deal, and the employees have dropped their bid for UAL, at least for now.
"How much money is involved in the America West deal? It's peanuts compared to these other transactions," said an aide to Ford, who has introduced legislation that would give the Department of Transportation the power to block a leveraged buyout if it compromised airline safety or gave control to a foreigner. The House is considering similar legislation, but the Administration has said that President Bush would veto it."
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The transaction comes at a time when Congress is looking into airline acquisitions, including the relationships between foreign and U.S. airlines. Although the deal hasn't aroused any concern, it is an example of how closely U.S. and foreign airlines can work together.
The deal, a first for Phoenix-based America West, was vital to Ansett, crippled by a 2-month-old labor dispute with its pilots. America West had never leased aircraft to another airline and had to postpone expansion plans to make the Boeing 737s available to Ansett.
Yet America West President Michael Conway said he was happy to help Ansett and has no sympathy for the Australian pilots who quit their jobs after failing to win huge wage increases--an action that shut down virtually all of that nation's domestic flights.
"How can we sit idle when an entire country's transportation system sits idle?" he said.
When its fleet was grounded by the strike against all of Australia's domestic airlines, Ansett had trouble finding the aircraft it needed from charter operators and commercial airlines outside Australia. "The fact that we had this connection with America West enabled us to react very quickly," said Ansett spokesman Peter Young. "Early in the crisis, it was quite critical."
Neither Ansett nor America West would say what Ansett is paying for the planes. Conway insisted that Ansett isn't getting a bargain. "The transaction is at arm's length," he said. "There is no special arrangement."
Foreign ownership of U.S. airlines is limited to 25%, and Ansett's investment in America West fits comfortably within the rule. But some members of Congress are concerned that under foreign control, a U.S. airline might shift its emphasis from service within the United States to international service, ignoring many small American cities.
"It's possible a foreign owner would pull planes out of small cities and use them to feed their overseas flights," Sen. Wendell Ford (D-Ky.) said in an earlier interview.
Concerns about foreign influence recently led to a Transportation Department order that KLM Royal Dutch Airlines reduce its $400-million investment in NWA Inc., parent of Northwest Airlines, to $175 million. Transportation Secretary Samuel K. Skinner said KLM's large investment could give it control over Northwest, even though KLM owned just 5% of the voting stock.
Even so, the transaction between America West and Ansett has attracted little attention, largely because it has been overshadowed by huge, debt-financed takeovers involving foreign airlines, such as the failed $6.75-billion buyout of UAL Corp., parent of United Airlines. The airline was to be acquired by its managers and pilots, with substantial help from British Airways. British Airways has since dropped out of the deal, and the employees have dropped their bid for UAL, at least for now.
"How much money is involved in the America West deal? It's peanuts compared to these other transactions," said an aide to Ford, who has introduced legislation that would give the Department of Transportation the power to block a leveraged buyout if it compromised airline safety or gave control to a foreigner. The House is considering similar legislation, but the Administration has said that President Bush would veto it."
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Maybe off attending a week long wake in the fishbowl?
Or a celebration with CB?
Or a celebration with CB?
. Maybe they got called in for running the apu's on the ground!Walmartgreeter said:
The funniest thing is they think they won something from USAPA; all they got is the money they put in the first place! So they basically broke even for the last decade and still have not been able to have the courts require the nic. And here they be- still in the fishbowl.Pi brat said:
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The National Mediation Board on the subject of contract continuity:
"When there is an agreement in effect between a carrier and its employees signed by one set of representatives and employees choose new representatives who are certified by the Board, the Board has taken the position that a change in representation does NOT ALTER OR CANCEL ANY EXISTING AGREEMENT made on behalf of the employees by the previous representatives. The only effect of a certification by the Board is that the employees have chosen other agents to represent them in dealing with the management under the existing agreement”
"When there is an agreement in effect between a carrier and its employees signed by one set of representatives and employees choose new representatives who are certified by the Board, the Board has taken the position that a change in representation does NOT ALTER OR CANCEL ANY EXISTING AGREEMENT made on behalf of the employees by the previous representatives. The only effect of a certification by the Board is that the employees have chosen other agents to represent them in dealing with the management under the existing agreement”
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It seems the West posters as a whole are becoming very vocal about how the Nic is required. Are they starting to beat the drums for their next lawsuit?
If the West was truly in the dark about the BOA draft list then I would expect them to be on pins and needles waiting to hear the results. If they were truly confident the Nic is being used they would be gloating. On the other hand if they knew the Nic was not being used by the BOA I would expect them to be more angry than usual and more insistent about the requirement to use the Nic.
Why can't the West just wait a few more weeks to see the results? Do they know something? Are they all getting sick to go out and celebrate with their leader Ferggie?
If the West was truly in the dark about the BOA draft list then I would expect them to be on pins and needles waiting to hear the results. If they were truly confident the Nic is being used they would be gloating. On the other hand if they knew the Nic was not being used by the BOA I would expect them to be more angry than usual and more insistent about the requirement to use the Nic.
Why can't the West just wait a few more weeks to see the results? Do they know something? Are they all getting sick to go out and celebrate with their leader Ferggie?
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