2015 Pilot Discussion.

[EastUS1]

You actually posted that I posted that?

 
Well "Duh", yes I did.
 
For a moment's perspective: "George Nicolau", however utterly insane I believe his arbitration was in his later life, I would properly salute for his service and personal sacrifice for America during war. "You'se"?....I wouldn't even wipe my shoes off on, oh mighty "soldier" in the "army of leonidas". It's never necessary, or even at all possible, for that matter, for all of us humans to agree, but it's fully incumbent on us to do what we best see as the Right thing. He was wrong with that ridiculous arbitration result. That doesn't make him a bad man.  We all make mistakes. Grow up and get over your sorry self son. With now nearly a full decade spent confined to PHX?...Well..."you'se" make mistakes too.
 
Per "You got the Nic.? You live in Fantasyland. What bid EVER has been based on the nic? Perhaps I should have said "will be" based on the nic, since all those "T-Minus" countdown clocks have afforded so many chuckles....No matter, I know: "This time for sure!"...Right?
 
Grow up kid. Your life would greatly improve in ways you can't currently even imagine if you ever do. Firstly though; you would have to surrender all fantasies of being, somehow, as if by magic, personally "special", and realize that there aren't even any really and serious trophies EVER handed out for just "showing up".....Just sayin'...Show me I'm wrong. Just crash not even any War, but simply the next Olympics/World Championships shouting "This is Sparta!" and see just what "Medal" you'se get awarded.
 
No?..."You'se" mean your whole, utterly pathetic "life" is left awaiting, 7+/nearly 8 years later, the fantasized fruits of an arbitration "award"...Maybe even "just" Tinkerbelle coming to lift "you'se from the ranks of the pathetic and hopelessly, at best mediochre?....Wow!....That's so truly pitiful that I've not even the words for it.....Other than if I were cursed to be "you'se", well....I'd probably pray for some miracle so I might someday, somehow, only magically even "be somebody"....but that's your problem kid.
 
Further "spartan" smarminess I'll always answer with: "Flying  wager's open. PM if interested..."spartan pyluts". What's "you'se" excuse punk?...Is it the "flying"/versus typing part that troubles "you'se"?

 

[Metroyet]

You are embarrassing yourself and your fellow scabs again.
Thanks to Kevin Horner the APA does not like west pilots.

S.T.A.P.L.E.D.

You'll never change that one simple fact.

 

[EastUS1]

S.T.A.P.L.E.D.

You'll never change that one simple fact.

 
Huh? I'm a fan of actually English translations for even the world's finest poetry. Please excuse me for daring to even ask such of that latest, incoherent gibberish? Be gently advised that I'm clearly and currently completely bored, and you're hopelessly out of your league here. Do kindly gang up on me "spartan soldiers"..."Yous'e" have long-evidenced (nearly 8 years now) not even the slightest ability to respond to any flying challenge, so I'll be around for at least another half hour for whatever laughs "you'se" continue to feel the need to provide....?
 
Sheesh!...Won't at least ONE of "you'se" mighty "spartans" show literally the whole world whatcha' got aloft?   How many "minus votes" does it even collectively need for any of you pathetic little I love Pink/punks
to acceed to an actual FLYING wager?....Mighty "pyluts"?
 
All that was/is entirely straightforward and fully honest. Argubaly, the most currently tragic circumstances of our Nation is that "you'se" are of a predictably sad caste and "history" that simply can't even imagine processing anything of the kind.....

 

[EastCheats]

These clowns are beyond stupid, mind boggling.

Rough neighborhood.

Sure, we are the clowns. Making you look stupid.

Stay off EastUS's lawn. He's old and grumpy.

http://www.ispot.tv/ad/7IYJ/jack-in-the-box-croissant-sandwiches-bad-mood

 

[EastUS1]

Stay off EastUS's lawn. He's old and grumpy.

 
 
How wewy, wewy pwecious, widdle pwincess...Umm....I'll take that as an easily predictable refusal to my flying wager kid? Sigh!...Whatever happened to "this is sparta!"...and umm, err, however fully laughable, "soldiers" in some Fantasyland "army" of leonidas? Just exactly what kind of pathetic and fully ridiculous Joke of a "man" and supposed "pilot" are you/could you even be?...Or are you the girl, and Metroyet the even strangely pretended "male"?...Or should I even ask about gender issues here?....Just asking....?
 
I may be momentarilly stumbling in hopefully understandable confusion here, but it's my honest guess that even Ariel, The Little Mermaid, could easilly kick your arses aloft....Prove me wrong. PM at "you'se" earliest convenience....I am So seriously bored with "you'se" pathetic little punks that, well...Just PM if ever magically manifesting any semblance of a spine...OK?
 
"Get angry" where it counts. I'm honestly offering "you'se" the chance to show your flying "skills" to literally the whole world. Just imagine the joy of both defeating and utterly humiliating some easthole fossil in the process? C'mon, what mighty "spartan" could do anything other than proudly accept such aa Challenge/opportunity?....?
 
If "you'se" are actually Pilots?...How could all/ANY of you even possibly not accept an obvious opportunity to fully demonstrate your AWAsome skills to the whole world?
 
I'f "you'se" ain't really even "pyluts", but complete jokes instead....Well...?

 

[EastUS1]

Rough neighborhood.

 
I'm sure we'd all love to learn "you'se" full wisdom regarding such. Heck...I've even got 5 seconds to spare, so tell us all everything you personally know of any "Rough neighborhood", little princess....? I'm about done wasting my time with "you'se" punks at present, so impress and hit us all with your "best shots"...?
 
Oh well...Thank You Mighty Lord, that you never reduced me to having a spine, or just willfully choosing to not....Amen.

 

[luvthe9]

Rough neighborhood.
Sure, we are the clowns. Making you look stupid.

The stupid ones are wearing a 675 dollar tie and are locked in PHX a while the rest of us enjoy massive growth.



NIC or Nothing, guess you chose NOTHING. You can't fix stupid!


Rough neighborhood just wait till you deal with the APA.

 

[EastUS1]

The stupid ones are wearing a 675 dollar tie and are locked in PHX a while the rest of us enjoy massive growth.



NIC or Nothing, guess you chose NOTHING. You can't fix stupid!


Rough neighborhood just wait till you deal with the APA.

 
 
Be gentle Brother. The remaining "spartans" yet posting are at best "kids"....It's pretty much over here....

 

[EastUS1]

Rough neighborhood.

....

Stay off EastUS's lawn. He's old and grumpy.

 
Sound wisdom in at least that much kid. I've raised even dogs that'd likely fly circles around "you'se" arrogance. "old and grumpy" comes at an earned price some pathetic little "spartan" like "you'se" can't even imagine. Care to cover such in my always open, flying wager?...Only at best and  purely laughably, supposed "Pilot"?...
 
No?...Stay off my lawn then punk....

 

[EastUS1]

 
Sound wisdom in at least that much kid. I've raised even dogs that'd likely fly circles around "you'se" arrogance. "old and grumpy" comes at an earned price some pathetic little "spartan" like "you'se" can't even imagine. Care to cover such in my always open, flying wager?...Only at best and  purely laughably, supposed "Pilot"?...
 
No?...Stay off my lawn then punk....

 
 
Should the utterly pathetic likes of "you'se" want to ever impress me, or anyone, for that matter?....Do so with an actual encounter that serves to show your flying "skills" to the whole world. PM if if interested.
 
I just foolishly even wasted my time to check PM's...Nothing, just like "you'se" pathetic "spartan" sorts are ALWAYS Nothing....Nothing at all....
 
"Stay off EastUS's lawn. He's old and grumpy. " That, I'd expect from at most a 12 year old....And hardly anything to ever be seen from a supposed "Pilot"...but tell "you'se" what: Just stay off my lawn and feel fully free to indulge in "you'se" childish fantasies. "Old and grumpy" "you'se" don't even begin to know the half of., since one earns such things. Dazzle both myself and indeed the whole world with your AWAsome "skills" at "you'se" earliest convenience.  Aerially beating up on just some grumpy old man I'd imagine an easy exercise for any "spartan", umm.."soldier"....No? Why not?
 
Done trolling for mighty "spartans" for now...can't seem to ever even get a bite, must change bait, I suppose...Perhaps I should invest in a few "Liberty" Ties to place hooks into? They might bite on those...?

 

[Metroyet]

Huh? I'm a fan of actually English translations for even the world's finest poetry. Please excuse me for daring to even ask such of that latest, incoherent gibberish? Be gently advised that I'm clearly and currently completely bored, and you're hopelessly out of your league here. Do kindly gang up on me "spartan soldiers"..."Yous'e" have long-evidenced (nearly 8 years now) not even the slightest ability to respond to any flying challenge, so I'll be around for at least another half hour for whatever laughs "you'se" continue to feel the need to provide....?
 
Sheesh!...Won't at least ONE of "you'se" mighty "spartans" show literally the whole world whatcha' got aloft?   How many "minus votes" does it even collectively need for any of you pathetic little I love Pink/punks
to acceed to an actual FLYING wager?....Mighty "pyluts"?
 
All that was/is entirely straightforward and fully honest. Argubaly, the most currently tragic circumstances of our Nation is that "you'se" are of a predictably sad caste and "history" that simply can't even imagine processing anything of the kind.....

Please know that I never read beyond the first words you ever write. I almost completely ignore you. As soon as a see a post so ridiculously bedazzled by emoticons and "air quotes" I know that it's yours. Which is to say there's zero actual content... aside from some alcohol fueled keyboard masturbation.

You're an angry, bitter, lonely, douche bag void of enough social skill to leave your apartment. I find it impossible to imagine you're capable of living a normal life by generally accepted social norms. IOW you're a nut case. Please do quote this and respond with another 8 paragraph, 30 emoticoned, 50 air quoted, diatribe out of "you'se" poor, abused, dry-humped computer there Ace. Just know I'll never read a word of it.

And yes. All your 1999 "new hires" have already been stapled below ALL america west pilots. That won't ever change.

 

[EastUS1]

Done trolling for mighty "spartans" for now...can't seem to ever even get a bite, must change bait, I suppose...Perhaps I should invest in a few "Liberty" Ties to place hooks into? They might bite on those...?

 
Was even that not enough? What's it take to get a mighty "spartan" to accept a seemingly reasonable wager?

"

 

[luvthe9]

Blast from the past from our old friend Move2CLT......Sep 2012......tell us how he's doing.



The gift that keeps on giving........

Why - it was Dave Ciabattoni of course! And my take is that Dave is still taking advice from Seham. No, I am NOT kidding. Not only does this sound like the kind of crap that Seham would concoct, but consider the background:

Compass Correction is the creation of Dave Ciabattoni, USAPA's current Grievance Committee Chairman. He has authored nearly all of the Compass Correction updates even though he has his surrogates sign them. Dave is one hell of a politician, but to anybody that has been paying attention – like me – has noticed that he is really a Mike Cleary but without the psychosis or constantly wearing his emotions on his sleeves. In fact, Mike and Dave were VERY good friends for 20+ years right up until they both became USAPA Officers in 2009 and their gigantic egos clashed.

Dave is very good at creating giant messes, but then escaping blame for them, and then positioning himself as a hero.

Dave was the PHL (Council 41) FO Rep on the East MEC, and the “DOH or death” strategy that MEC employed was predominantly led by him. He was the one to convince a majority of the other MEC members that their merger attorney and the arbitrator were WRONG, and he threatened to remove any merger committee members that even THOUGHT about backing away from date of hire.

During that time, Dave made “buddies” with a few West pilots with similar meat-head mentalities. Of course, Dave could really care less about them, but he found that they were naive and gullible enough to trust him. Dave used these “friendships” as a weapon against the West MEC by feeding “information” to them that would end up on U-Turn. In fact, I think Dave even wrote some of the U-Turns himself.

When the Nicolau Award came out, Dave QUICKLY jumped on-board the USAPA bandwagon. He buddied up with Bradford and became USAPA’s #1 spy on the East MEC. While on ALPA flight pay loss, Dave spent his time working with Seham to write the USAPA Constitution. Dave also then positioned himself to become a martyr by intentionally navigating the PHL Council into trusteeship. So even though Dave is the one who really “caused” the Nicolau Award in a sense, he became a HUGE hero for fighting it.

When USAPA won the NMB election, Dave quickly cashed in on his West “friendships” by asking a couple of them to serve as USAPA reps. In exchange, his “friends” provided USAPA with AWAPPA web-board postings that were ultimately used in the RICO suit. One of those “friends” was even on USAPA’s witness lists to testify against the West pilots in the Addington trial. Oh – and by the way – those “friendships” still exist, as Dave apparently was just very recently trying to get two of them to serve as USAPA System Board members.

In 2009, Dave was elected to USAPA national office. Of course, shortly into his term, USAPA lost the Addington trial, and the union was beginning to fail miserably. One more time, Dave was quick to avoid responsibility for any of the mess he had a large part in creating by starting an underground movement to blame all of USAPA’s failings on Mike Cleary. In typical Dave Ciabattoni fashion, he avoided responsibility for the situation and became the martyr by publicly resigning from office, and blaming Mike Cleary for everything wrong with USAPA.

Although Dave’s public resignation was not quite as successful as he hoped initially, it did serve as the impetus for his creation of the Compass Correction. Dave also maintained his friendships with Bradford and King (also clueless, naive idiots) and began plans to put their faction back in charge of the union. First, Dave found a surrogate to run a recall campaign against Cleary. Of course, that effort failed miserably because the West didn’t support it. However, Dave knew that national officer elections were coming up, so he pooled together a few other surrogates to run for office. Dave knew that even despite his “heroics,” that the opposition could and would expose him for what he was – so Dave needed an impressionable “clean slate” candidate to run for president. That’s where Gary Hummel came in.

Gary has no union background at all, and until very recently, had never lifted a finger for the pilot group. He had served many, many years in the training department as a check airman where he earned himself a decent reputation with the pilots. However, Gary was FIRED from the training department early into USAPA’s existence. Although Gary claims that he was fired for his opposition to the “fuel school” issue, I have heard other versions of that story from more reliable sources. Nonetheless, it is undisputed that Gary was FIRED, and Gary’s termination began his “career” in the union world. And Gary’s anger combined with his complete lack of representation experience really made him fit in well with the other knuckle-heads. In fact, one of Gary’s first ideas as the training committee chair was to require that all pilots only communicate with management via certified mail!

So Dave had found himself the right group of puppets to seek national office, and his plan worked. Of course, both Bradford and Hummel, having really no CLUE about union matters, were relying heavily upon Dave for advice and guidance. In fact, for all intents and purposes, Dave has effectively been the USAPA President since April. The decision to appoint Burdick (one of Dave’s West “friends”) to the NAC and Stravers to the MC were all part of Dave’s subtle but evil plan to play West politics again. You have to admit – Dave is a hell of alot smarter than Cleary was. Cleary’s overtly hostile actions did nothing but unify us. Dave – having every bit as much contempt for us as Cleary did – knew that he could divide us by playing a very delicate game of West politics.

Remember that in Cleary’s final weeks, he ran a vilification campaign against Seham, and fired his firm. The Bradford / Hummel crowd – as guided by Dave Ciabattoni - defended Seham and continued to communicate directly with him. Seham too capitalized on Cleary’s failures as a means to clear his firm of any blame, and to try to keep a line in on the money flow from the US Airways pilots.

So – things seemed to be going well for Dave Ciabattoni and his hand-picked USAPA officers, but then came the MOU and it really threw a wrench into things. USAPA’s trusted outside advisors STRONGLY advised Hummel and Bradford to take the deal on the table, for many of the same reasons we have discussed here. But Dave – an obstructionist at heart - didn’t like that plan, and he left Hummel and Bradford high and dry. It is rumored that Dave is the author of the BPR update that helped sink the MOU, as well as the author of the recent Compass Corrections. Once again, Dave is positioning himself to be the guy who saved the US Airways pilots from another “cram down,” and Seham is positioning himself to be the guy who once again tells the US Airways pilots what they want to hear (for a small fee of course). And both Dave and Seham are being very careful to keep their names out of the press until the time is right.

I firmly believe that Dave Ciabattoni and Lee Seham are looking to make a comeback, and are using this MOU as the proper platform to do it. In the meantime, we have a completely clueless officer corps, a BPR that is being heavily influenced by Dave Ciabattoni and Lee Seham, and a disjointed, confused rank and file that really has no choice but to trust management more than the union.

 

[luvthe9]

Please know that I never read beyond the first words you ever write. I almost completely ignore you. As soon as a see a post so ridiculously bedazzled by emoticons and "air quotes" I know that it's yours. Which is to say there's zero actual content... aside from some alcohol fueled keyboard masturbation.
You're an angry, bitter, lonely, douche bag void of enough social skill to leave your apartment. I find it impossible to imagine you're capable of living a normal life by generally accepted social norms. IOW you're a nut case. Please do quote this and respond with another 8 paragraph, 30 emoticoned, 50 air quoted, diatribe out of "you'se" poor, abused, dry-humped computer there Ace. Just know I'll never read a word of it.
And yes. All your 1999 "new hires" have already been stapled below ALL america west pilots. That won't ever change.

Poor little Metroscab, you seem to be on the verge of a "Fodase" which was my personal favorite, go out in a blaze of glory.

 

[EastUS1]

Poor little Metroscab, you seem to be on the verge of a "Fodase" which was my personal favorite, go out in a blaze of glory.

 
 
The whole "This is sparta!" PHX thing evidences not only a ready study in Arrested Develpment, but at least some degree of an entirely unwholesom and unhealthy, mental illness. I've had far past my fill of such insanity for the moment. For the sake of a fine dinner's decent digestion; I really must exit.