2015 Pilot Discussion.

[end_of_alpa]

Well, as I pass the forum on my occasional "touch and go" why am I not surprised at the voter turnout of 25%?  My sources inform me of a runoff between LAX and someone else.  Evidently "Goat Man" didn't get it.  Gee, I wonder.......WHY?  Run off???  Sounds like the water levels in Texas.  Like "hey man, when will the water "run off" my lawn???"

 

[Phoenix]

The "Superior Pilots"  voting for their own Super Superior Pilots.  The participation level was about 25% of the membership.  APA is so lame they can't even get the Superior Contract they agreed to implemented. The next step from the Superior Pilots will be a vote for ALPA which will only result in an increase in dues. The RLA has made unions next to worthless.

The RLA certainly makes it hard to improve on a contract, but it takes a special group of gullible idiots to prefer shiny brochures with flowery platitudes rather than demand an actual contract with precise language, and this blunder at what was known to be the most profitable time in the history of aviation... And even more incomprehensible is that the pilots held the power to easily prevent or acquiesce to the formation of the largest airline in history. The pilots f..ing blew it. But I despise most the two NOs and the former LAX "sea foam" that led the charge to Cacharel.... They presume entitlement to $400 bottles of wine at our expense while we get 10hr three days, get redeyes crammed into 4days for 18hrs, and stay in the Crowne Plaza or Motel 8.

We sold out for pay rates, FAR 117, and a fatigue policy. Everything else was smoke and mirrors.

 

[Bean]

Addendum: Might one at least reasonably ask (while not wishing to insensitively "offend" anyone's pwesious widdle feewings of course) as to exactly what your undoubtedly AWAsome personal "skill set" actually is?...Especially referencing whatever astonishing "skill" that allows you some strange fantasy of being "worthy" of usurping a full 17-actually-worked years and experience from others in your same "class" and craft?
 
Per "Not everybody was gifted with the benefit of using their country's taxed paid flight training to try and suggest they were better than someone who didn't happen to be at the right place at the right time."? "who didn't happen to be at the right place at the right time" and even "gifted" to boot? Seriously? I strongly suggest an educational trip to your nearest National Cemetery prior to ever again shooting your mouth off in such infantile/"the whole world revolves around MEE!" fashion kid.

 

[Bean]

Ok. You are right. I never tried to claim that those that served were not entitled to their deserved credibility. They are.

However, I don't know any that truly served to use their service as a catalyst to make their point in the civilian world.

 

[Phoenix]

Now they fancy themselves to be the Tuskegee Airmen. Always such confidence in their standing of grandeur... only exceeded by their self righteousness.

You can probably find more righteous astronauts in the fishbowl than you can find drunk homeless people calling themselves Elvis in the streets of Nashville.

It's best to just nod and congratulate them as you pass by.

 

[EastUS1]

Ok. You are right. I never tried to claim that those that served were not entitled to their deserved credibility. They are.

However, I don't know any that truly served to use their service as a catalyst to make their point in the civilian world.

 
The recreational flying wager had/has nothing whatsoever to do with "any that truly served". It was simply about whether or not your fine-feathered "spartans" (that so arrogantly posted here for so long) could actually Fly, and if so; might enjoy demonstrating your presumed "skill set" with some aerial sport.  Per "entitled to their deserved credibility"...Just how much "deserved credibility" do you honestly imagine comes from wearing absurdly infantile "Liberty" ties around, calling yourselves supposed "spartans"/"knights"/"dire wolves"/et al? How much "deserved" credibility ever came from such as your 2004 hired self somehow fantasizing you were not only magically worthy of, but fully entitled to strip "fellow pilots" of as much as 17 of their actually worked and EARNED years of seniority for purely your own petty, selfish greed?...Not to mention providing astounding levels of insane self "righteousness" in the process...
 
How much "deserved credibility" should one offer just this AWA/"spartan" village idiot alone?...Oh ye "Lords and Ladies"?:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT8H9smpK3U
 
 
 
How much "deserved credibility" should be afforded these permanent infants as well?:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7lgU3J5seA&index=6&list=PL21C1C7D32B996827

 

[Phoenix]

Everbody Loves Raymond.... Its a good sitcom, but oh the funny material they are missing on C&R.  

 

[EastUS1]

The RLA certainly makes it hard to improve on a contract, but it takes a special group of gullible idiots to prefer shiny brochures with flowery platitudes rather than demand an actual contract with precise language, and this blunder at what was known to be the most profitable time in the history of aviation... And even more incomprehensible is that the pilots held the power to easily prevent or acquiesce to the formation of the largest airline in history. The pilots f..ing blew it. ..........

We sold out for pay rates, FAR 117, and a fatigue policy. Everything else was smoke and mirrors.

 
Yep, and the gullibility factor required for that will always amaze me.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Everbody Loves Raymond.... Its a good sitcom, but oh the funny material they are missing on C&R.

Hilarious, it is like a Labor Day series marathon !

 

[EastUS1]

Ok. You are right. I never tried to claim that those that served were not entitled to their deserved credibility. They are.

 
P.S. That's surprisingly refreshing from a self-styled "spartan soldier" and likely "Liberty" tie wearing "patriot." I've no doubt that all who've ever worn flight suits find great comfort in your generously condescending grace there. Now then, as to "you'se" own "credibility" you can offer up exactly WHAT? Let me guess = "Mommy bought me my licenses"?...Therefore "I can...umm...'Fly' in even a death-defying 30 degree max bank"? Perhaps even offer up a game of "spartan" tiddlywinks? From the tone of your postings: "It's just not FAIR to ask me to actually Fly!"...? Maybe even another "heroic" video about facing the dire perils of an actual altitude chamber session even? Open air is generously provided below for any reply "you'se" might wish to offer..and don't forget t'was you that presumptuously fantasized having some "skill set", so feel free to dazzle us all with just what your undoubtedly AWA-some "skill set" supposedly is?....?
 
Bottom Line: The aviation "community" simply ain't what it once was....Period.
 
No matter, I suppose. Thanks for all the laughs "you'se" mighty "spartans"/"battle"-tested-"knights" and even "dire wolves" have provided over the years.

 

[bigjets]

A FA was talking about her husband capt. He's upset that the LUS Pilots with more seniority then him will be hire on the seniority list. I asked if all LUS pilots should be below LAA pilots. She says that LUS doesn't have the amount of widebodys as LAA and shouldn't be allowed to fly them.

Sounds like there will be a big seniority fight amungst the pilots.

 

[Bean]

East, I would love to see you try to begin to acknowledge that not every pilot here had the choices you were given at the time you decided to learn to fly.

Those were different times, different variables. Comparing someone who didn't have the opportunity you did is not fair.

It's not that those same people wouldn't have given their life for their country, they would've, but you claim they didn't, and therefore they suck, and they only fly today because they asked their mom for money, and then she decided ok, I will pay for that, as if that is even remotely plausible. That's absurd.

Do you finally see the platform you preach from is as pourous as you and your east brothers word? It means nothing. It's just emotion. Your emotions means as much as mine. Military or not.

Why did you go the military route anyway? I know why, most would've. I just want you to hear that question every time you accuse others of not being capable or eagar to take your wager, that I think is still open, and forever will be.

 

[Phoenix]

The Tuskegee Airmen were an integrity filled righteous group of pilots. A west pilot actually compared themselves with the Tuskegee Airmen. I don't think the Tuskegee Airmen were known for being self promoting, self righteous whiny victims. Just sayin.

 

[EastUS1]

..... Your emotions means as much as mine. Military or not.

 
Sniffle, sob..."you'se" got me there snowflake. Consider yourself now fully "validated" and please pass the tissues while I run to the nearest "Safe Space." 

 

[PullUp]

Hey guys....I heard that 'the list' was out......but I haven't been able to find anything anywhere.
Does anyone here have a link??
Thanks in advance.
Cheers.