2015 Pilot Discussion.

[Black Swan]

There are tremendous opportunities coming on this bid. The 330 upgrades alone are going to be far reaching. The East attrition is ramping up to incredible numbers.
It is truly amazing the West group passed on this opportunity. They will continue being locked out for another couple of years by the looks of things.

 

[Black Swan]

Looks like the East Scabs are short of cash. Big surprise. The EPSIC is claiming that they were "disadvantaged" financially and now they require donations. Really? You **** Scabs had control of a fake union and a 250% going dues rate and you STILL were financially disadvantaged? HHHHAAAAA!!!!!!!
 
Pay up scabs. You're scumbag lawyers are counting on you. Although how **** stupid can one be? Extending Credit to an East Scab is like loaning a crack whore your pipe and expecting it back.

Pretty scary if you are actually a pilot at AA. The anger issues are troubling.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

OUCH..............
POST-HEARING BRIEF OF THE WEST PILOTS MERGER COMMITTEE SUBMITTED MARCH 28, 2016
3. The West Committee understands that, despite the Ninth Circuits decision regarding USAPAs conduct in negotiating the MOU, there is no legal argument to be made that the Nicolau Award is now binding in this SLI proceeding as a consequence of the terms of the America West-US Airways Transition Agreement.41
41 The East Committee also argues that the Nicolau Award did not create any enforceable seniority rights. East Committee Pre-Hearing Statement 49-50. Regardless of whether that is correct as a matter of law, the West Committee has not argued in this proceeding that the Board is legally bound to accept the Nicolau Award, but instead that it should choose the Nicolau Award because it is the only fair and equitable mechanism for integrating the East and West pilots given the circumstances at hand.
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Where's are boy CB53........... What happened to "final and binding".........Jeffery Freund knows!
Bottom line NO NIC FOR YOU............WYE RIVER

Hilarious the arbs bought Freunds dismissal and his TWA case arguements 180 degrees opposite his present position, hilarious, all entered into record an Acknowledged by the arbs, ! OUCH!

 

[Claxon]

Looks like the East Scabs are short of cash. Big surprise. The EPSIC is claiming that they were "disadvantaged" financially and now they require donations. Really? You **** Scabs had control of a fake union and a 250% going dues rate and you STILL were financially disadvantaged? HHHHAAAAA!!!!!!!
 
Pay up scabs. You're scumbag lawyers are counting on you. Although how **** stupid can one be? Extending Credit to an East Scab is like loaning a crack whore your pipe and expecting it back.

Everyone knows who works for the airline that hired scabs, was run by scabs and worked for scab wages since their illegitimate inception.
 
http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/2010%2012%20Month%20Documents
/Employees%20and%20Compensation/Pilots/Average%20Annual%20Wages%20and%20Salaries%20-%20PILOT%20AND%20CO-PILOT%20PERSONNEL.htm
 
You are in the same relative position at america west for the last 10 years since the merger and will reside in the same fish bowl for many more years.
 
Your thoughts again please sir, on your most recent temporary perceived battle, in the war you lost?

 

[Claxon]

 
Actually, the DFR violation applies to an 8 year history of the scab union not representing the West, read the decision.  ..................

What was the court order issued by the 9th?
 
Did it state that the nic had to be use and why not??
 
10H, talk to the Department of Labor about it.

 

[dariencc]

 
Your thoughts again please sir, on your most recent temporary perceived battle, in the war you lost?

 
Which losing war are you referring to?  The one against the East pilots or the one against the Federal Bureau of Investigation, as documented below?
 
 
Polygraph Statement of Mr. Mark C. Doyal
I had always wanted to be an FBI agent. With that singular goal in mind, I enrolled in Southwest Texas State University in the fall of 1988. My major was Law Enforcement with a minor in Economics. I graduated in December 1990 and I took the written FBI exam that next January. I passed and was scheduled for an interview in March of 1991. The interview went great and I achieved a perfect score. However, the FBI determined that I needed more experience and informed me to re-apply in two years. I immediately took the Law School Admissions Test and applied to South Texas College of Law in Houston, Texas. I was excepted for the class beginning in January 1991. I was fortunate in that I was able to obtain employment on a full time basis with the Harris County District Attorney's Office - Economic Crime Division. I remember my new boss asking me after he interviewed me what I planned on achieving with a law career. I immediately responded that I wanted a career with the FBI. Everyone who I met knew that that was my goal.
Working full time for the District Attorney while attending law school at night was tough, but I knew I had to get the right kind of experience and education to make myself the best possible candidate for the FBI. Upon graduation from law school (Dec. 1994), I re-applied with the FBI. I was scheduled to take the written exam on a Monday following the Bar exam. I again passed the written exam and had to wait to be selected for the interview. I wrote letters nearly every month to the applicant coordinator asking to be interviewed and explaining what I was doing each month. Finally, I was selected to be interviewed in Kansas City in July of 1996. Seven of us in our region were selected to go, but only two of us passed the interview process. Myself and another girl. I was on top of the world, knowing that I was about to realize my dream.
The polygraph exam was next, August 7, 1996, in San Antonio, Texas. I knew I had nothing to worry about, since I had never violated the FBI's drug policy and I had not lied on my application. The agent administering the polygraph noted during the pre- polygraph interview that I had attended a university that he believed was a "party school" and that I needed to tell him what drugs I used when I went there. I stated that I had taken none, that I didn't live on campus, I lived in another city, and that I was an older student and wasn't influenced to do such things. He repeated that that couldnít be the case and told me again to tell him what illegal drugs I had done. I countered again that that just wasn't the case and that I was telling the truth. This went back and forth for about 10 minutes and he seemed to be getting upset that I wouldnít admit to taking drugs. Finally he stated that if I was lying he was about to find out. I was upset at the unbelievable accusations he was making. Up until that point I had been treated with the utmost professionalism by the FBI staff, now I was being treated like an accused criminal. After the polygraph was over, he told me I had failed. I almost passed out in disbelief
I wrote several letters to FBI Director Freeh, and in October of 1996 I was polygraphed again, by another agent with the first agent who polygraphed me present. The results were the same, he told me I had failed. I just could not believe it. I had not lied on the polygraph. Even the first agent that had polygraphed me told me as I was leaving that he now believed me, that I was telling the truth. I wrote the Director several more times to no avail, my application was terminated in November of that year. My dreams were shattered.
Finally, as a side note, I later applied with the Secret Service. I did just as well in the testing and interview stages as I had with the FBI. When it came time for the polygraph, the agent administering it asked me if I had been polygraphed before. I told him yes, and under what circumstances and the results. He thanked me for my honesty, unhooked me from the polygraph without testing me and told me that he would have to contact his superiors for their advice. I could not believe it. Two months later I received a form letter stating that I was no longer competitive with the other agent applicants. I am a licensed attorney, professional pilot, have law enforcement experience and with top scores but I was not competitive? Obviously I had been "black balled" by the erroneous polygraph results from the FBI.
I will probably always be effected by the injustice of what happened. I wrote a final letter to Director Freeh this summer asking for another polygraph. I even offered to pay all expenses associated with retaking it if I were to fail. I guess I still haven't accepted that you can fail a polygraph while telling the truth. Or the fact that the FBI could make this kind of mistake. I had always looked up to that agency as the pinnacle of professionalism. I received the same form letter back that I had received almost two years earlier. It is a shame, since all I wanted to do was to have a chance to serve my country and make my family proud.
 
Sincerely,
 
Mark C. Doyal

 

[dariencc]

The money quotes:
 
"I wrote several letters to FBI Director Freeh, and in October of 1996 I was polygraphed again, by another agent with the first agent who polygraphed me present. The results were the same, he told me I had failed."
 
"Finally, as a side note, I later applied with the Secret Service. I did just as well in the testing and interview stages as I had with the FBI. When it came time for the polygraph, the agent administering it asked me if I had been polygraphed before. I told him yes, and under what circumstances and the results. He thanked me for my honesty, unhooked me from the polygraph without testing me and told me that he would have to contact his superiors for their advice."
 
In law enforcement, they refer to this as a three-time loser.

 

[Claxon]

 
Maybe they can sell ties!!
 

Tie sales have been proven to be, by the west pilots, an unsuccessful avenue expecting any positive results.

 

[dariencc]

Several knowledge observers rained on Doyal's pity party:
 
"So, I suspect that there is far more to the story than Doyal is admitting. However, in the unlikely event that his story is accurate, it would indicate a highly flawed FBI process, as opposed to the polygraph itself being flawed."
 
"I'll go one step further, Doyal's story is total make-believe. Sure, this is how its done on TV...but anyone that has been through the process knows just how false this story is."
 
 
The FBI obviously knew that they had a pathological liar on their hands.  Doyal's own feeble attempt to impugn the G-men unintentionally gives up the plot:
 
"A few months later I was given a second chance. They brought in a new agent who told me Director Freeh had personally directed him to fly to SA and administer the polygraph. The first polygraph administrator was present during this second polygraph. I was told that I was showing deception on all answers now."

 

[luvthe9]

 
Oh, and the West did not waste any money.  All well spent to keep a scab union at bay.
 

Huh?......well spent........you spent your own money to keep yourselves locked in the PHX fishbowl.........real men of genius, not!




PS ... Remember you guys are the scabs.

 

[luvthe9]

The money quotes:
 
"I wrote several letters to FBI Director Freeh, and in October of 1996 I was polygraphed again, by another agent with the first agent who polygraphed me present. The results were the same, he told me I had failed."
 
"Finally, as a side note, I later applied with the Secret Service. I did just as well in the testing and interview stages as I had with the FBI. When it came time for the polygraph, the agent administering it asked me if I had been polygraphed before. I told him yes, and under what circumstances and the results. He thanked me for my honesty, unhooked me from the polygraph without testing me and told me that he would have to contact his superiors for their advice."
 
In law enforcement, they refer to this as a three-time loser.

The FBI knows how to weed out the undesirables.......the boy has something lose upstairs, perfect AWA material.

 

[luvthe9]

There are tremendous opportunities coming on this bid. The 330 upgrades alone are going to be far reaching. The East attrition is ramping up to incredible numbers.
It is truly amazing the West group passed on this opportunity. They will continue being locked out for another couple of years by the looks of things.

I remember something about NIC or nothing.........wonder how's that working out for them.

 

[Claxon]

The west pilots have two responses when asked by (themselves internally) family and friends why they have been stagnant for the last ten years.
 
Their two choices;
 
1   I am a victim.
 
2   I screwed up.
 
 
They always seem to choose to play the victim card.
 
I hope most ask the west pilots, when they pull out their victim card, how is it that what happened to you could be legal?
 
The answer is, because it is legal, but west pilots only offer song and dances to such questions.

 

[luvthe9]

The west pilots have two responses when asked by (themselves internally) family and friends why they have been stagnant for the last ten years.
 
Their two choices;
 
1   I am a victim.
 
2   I screwed up.
 
 
They always seem to choose to play the victim card.
 
I hope most ask the west pilots, when they pull out their victim card, how is it that what happened to you could be legal?
 
The answer is, because it is legal, but west pilots only offer song and dances to such questions.

"According to our reports, on Day One of Wye River, Jeff Freund warned the West MEC that if USAPA won, the West risked losing everything. He urged reaching an agreement. He was gone on Day Two."



"Jeff Freund is a top-notch lawyer. We have no doubt that he told our MEC the truth about how negotiable the NIC really was."




" Yes, the East offered the NIC. They just wanted to protect their retirement attrition, which stalled by the change in Age-60. Looking back, that offer must look like a home run to any West pilot right now,"



"Our former MEC and our union leadership played a very high stakes game of poker by not dealing at Wye River. Freund was right, we were risking everything…..and right now, it looks like we lost. They need to take responsibility for that."

U-Turn

 

[EastUS1]

"The polygraph exam was next, August 7, 1996, in San Antonio, Texas. I knew I had nothing to worry about, since I had never violated the FBI's drug policy and I had not lied on my application. The agent administering the polygraph noted during the pre- polygraph interview that I had attended a university that he believed was a "party school" and that I needed to tell him what drugs I used when I went there. I stated that I had taken none,.."

......is like loaning a crack whore your pipe...

 
"your pipe"?....Umm...OK then. Interesting that you find such comfortable and even conversational familiarity with "your pipe" and "a crack whore", I mean, after all, "normal" people routinely consider such subjects, right? No doubt the FBI was clearly wrong, and well...whatever you say while drooling over your keyboard (as opposed to during an FBI interview/polygraph) must indeed be "true"....? No worries, since "Integrity Matters" so very much out in "sparta". Thanks for yet another day's dependable laughs. It's established fact that AWA did nothing in the way of any intelligence testing, and even initial drug testing seems now in doubt. One thing's certain here: No polygraphs were involved.  BTW, having experienced a pre-employment one myself, I can assure you that polygraphs aren't at all tough to pass. All one needs do is actually tell the Truth...Well, unless the likes of "your pipe" and "a crack whore" are concerned, I suppose.
 
"The agent administering the polygraph noted during the pre- polygraph interview that I had attended a university that he believed was a "party school" and that I needed to tell him what drugs I used when I went there. I stated that I had taken none,.." Of course they asked provocative questions, but just what caused you to "pucker up" while answering any of them, and thus fail the polygraph?