2015 Pilot Discussion.

[EastCheats]

Nobody cares about a decade ago. Give it up.

Speaking about yourself?

Self fulfilling prophecy.

 

[Claxon]

 
Metroyet, on 15 Feb 2015 - 09:16 AM, said:
Right. Stunning revelations. Please tell me in any of this where the lack of a JCBA means you never entered final and binding arbitration and received a fair result. where in any of this does it mean the reverse acquisition of us air by America Wedt (?) never happened?
One airline
One stock
One operating certificate
One management

One airline.                             check
One stock.                              check
One operating certificate.       check
One management.                  check
One 675 dollar tie.                  check
 
One CBA agreement.  DOH!   check, must send one to marty harper and army of lyingitas.

 

[FL430]

So just a hypothetical question here; so the last arbitration hearing it was determined by the "board" that legally USAPA had no rights even to represent EAST pilots because APA is legally the new bargaining agent. APA is allowing USAPA llc to represent EAST pilots. The EAST pilots did not get to vote on who was going to represent them, nor do EAST pilots have any say so as to who the EAST merger attorney will be. Last I recall USAPA appointed the USAPA merger committee with no input from its membership.
Well my question is if even one EAST pilot is unhappy with this situation ( or even a larger group) what would prevent them from suing USAPA Llc, APA, and even AAG itself?

This to me would seemingly hold up this seniority integration another five years.

Is USAPA Llc using Schemanski sp? As their merger attorney? What experience does he have with this type of representation? He didn't do too well in the slowdown injunction or the west merger seat arbitration either. Does anyone really think he would do any better as a merger attorney? The west has hired Fruend and he is considered to be the best in the country.

Guys, I think we are being set-up to be hosed again. What do others think?

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

F430, Really good questions, but I think the answer to those and a lot more questions will be answered when the 9th circuit comes out, with their ruling, as our merger attorney Mr. Wilder stated it so eloquently, the reason we have the McCaskill-Bond Statute is because of people in this room. What is even more hilarious is the person that wrote up the final decision can't even spell McCaskill-Bond. With that being said I find that a union (APA) that thinks of themselves as immune to any lawsuit will find themselves smack dab in the middle of many, especially following the dicta (opinion) of a court that the 9th has corrected every time USAPA has been involved! MM

 

[Metroyet]

So just a hypothetical question here; so the last arbitration hearing it was determined by the "board" that legally USAPA had no rights even to represent EAST pilots because APA is legally the new bargaining agent. APA is allowing USAPA llc to represent EAST pilots. The EAST pilots did not get to vote on who was going to represent them, nor do EAST pilots have any say so as to who the EAST merger attorney will be. Last I recall USAPA appointed the USAPA merger committee with no input from its membership.
Well my question is if even one EAST pilot is unhappy with this situation ( or even a larger group) what would prevent them from suing USAPA Llc, APA, and even AAG itself?

This to me would seemingly hold up this seniority integration another five years.

Is USAPA Llc using Schemanski sp? As their merger attorney? What experience does he have with this type of representation? He didn't do too well in the slowdown injunction or the west merger seat arbitration either. Does anyone really think he would do any better as a merger attorney? The west has hired Fruend and he is considered to be the best in the country.

Guys, I think we are being set-up to be hosed again. What do others think?

You East guys have a built in "Self-Hosing" mechanism. I have no doubt you're going to find a way to Hose yourself once again. It's really the only constant in Commercial aviation...the fact that original US Air Pilots will find a way to pay through the nose for their self induced failures. Count on it continuing.

 

[nycbusdriver]

Well, yes, "self-hosing" if you define that as the group getting ALL the upgrades.
 
I wonder how many new east captains are enjoying the bid who would have never seen an upgrade with the nicolau abomination?
 
"Self-hosing'  Yeah, right, db.

 

[Metroyet]

Well, yes, "self-hosing" if you define that as the group getting ALL the upgrades.
 
I wonder how many new east captains are enjoying the bid who would have never seen an upgrade with the nicolau abomination?
 
"Self-hosing'  Yeah, right, db.

You were getting the vast majority of those upgrades WITH the Nicolau award anyway...but lets not let facts get in the way of another emotional outburst.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

NYC, guess they need to look at the David Braid cry me a Wye River video again, or someone explain the term "vast majority", MM

 

[luvthe9]

NYC, guess they need to look at the David Braid cry me a Wye River video again, or someone explain the term "vast majority", MM

Still wonder why they turned down the NIC when it was offered to them, Ferguson and Koontz screwed the west pilots big time, they seem to enjoy "self hosing". Now that the APA to them to go pound sand with their NIC wonder if they will sue them.

 

[Claxon]

You East guys have a built in "Self-Hosing" mechanism. I have no doubt you're going to find a way to Hose yourself once again. It's really the only constant in Commercial aviation...the fact that original US Air Pilots will find a way to pay through the nose for their self induced failures. Count on it continuing.

Yes, those hundreds of east upgrades have been a real hosing. And all the 330 positions. Those are serious payouts. You? Locked yourselves off them for almost a decade. All you have are a couple of 757s and the rest burned out early Airbus.
Ask Eric why he passed on the Nic when you see him.

 

[Claxon]

You were getting the vast majority of those upgrades WITH the Nicolau award anyway...but lets not let facts get in the way of another emotional outburst.

Too funny. Look in the mirror. You should have taken the east recall.

 

[Claxon]

NYC, guess they need to look at the David Braid cry me a Wye River video again, or someone explain the term "vast majority", MM

That Braid sob story had AA Flight rolling their eyes. They know the america west story.

Wait until the AA merger group asks you about your 767 flying. Integrity.......

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Yes, those hundreds of east upgrades have been a real hosing. And all the 330 positions. Those are serious payouts. You? Locked yourselves off them for almost a decade. All you have are a couple of 757s and the rest burned out early Airbus.
Ask Eric why he passed on the Nic when you see him.

. Clax, do the math " shifting pilots" post 1177 gotta laugh , attrition and growth, the East will retire an average of 260 pilots per year for the next 5 to 6 years with 3700 pilots, the west 80 a year max , now take a 1000 number hit in seniority for 2 pilots hired the same day in 1985, Advantage West, and how many upgrades till you catch the west guy hired the same day and year as you, if that is a " vast majority of upgrades" I must have been absent that day in college, but then again if Jess Pauley is the new Nic, then one would have to assume The "NIC" today is the new "Status quo" luv to see that explanation ! MM

 

[end_of_alpa]

F430, Really good questions, but I think the answer to those and a lot more questions will be answered when the 9th circuit comes out, with their ruling, as our merger attorney Mr. Wilder stated it so eloquently, the reason we have the McCaskill-Bond Statute is because of people in this room. What is even more hilarious is the person that wrote up the final decision can't even spell McCaskill-Bond. With that being said I find that a union (APA) that thinks of themselves as immune to any lawsuit will find themselves smack dab in the middle of many, especially following the dicta (opinion) of a court that the 9th has corrected every time USAPA has been involved! MM

 
 

You East guys have a built in "Self-Hosing" mechanism. I have no doubt you're going to find a way to Hose yourself once again. It's really the only constant in Commercial aviation...the fact that original US Air Pilots will find a way to pay through the nose for their self induced failures. Count on it continuing.

I just LOVE it!  Now that we are ALL getting the same pay, the SLI with the continued lawsuits will continue to stymie the West upgrades for several years yet to come.  In fact, WORST than Nicolau for them because what they WOULD of had under DOH they NOW have under separate operations and the new hires get the promotions instead.  Talk about "pyrrhic victory".  
 
New hires can do the same job as Westicles....only BETTER!

 

[end_of_alpa]

So just a hypothetical question here; so the last arbitration hearing it was determined by the "board" that legally USAPA had no rights even to represent EAST pilots because APA is legally the new bargaining agent. APA is allowing USAPA llc to represent EAST pilots. The EAST pilots did not get to vote on who was going to represent them, nor do EAST pilots have any say so as to who the EAST merger attorney will be. Last I recall USAPA appointed the USAPA merger committee with no input from its membership.
Well my question is if even one EAST pilot is unhappy with this situation ( or even a larger group) what would prevent them from suing USAPA Llc, APA, and even AAG itself?

This to me would seemingly hold up this seniority integration another five years.

Is USAPA Llc using Schemanski sp? As their merger attorney? What experience does he have with this type of representation? He didn't do too well in the slowdown injunction or the west merger seat arbitration either. Does anyone really think he would do any better as a merger attorney? The west has hired Fruend and he is considered to be the best in the country.

Guys, I think we are being set-up to be hosed again. What do others think?

Just like you are the best "pilot" in the country.