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CactusPilot1 said:
Was his name Michael Dale?
:lol:
He's so full of himself, he reminds me of that Anderson character who wrote Judge Silver and soon after USAPA posts a warning to stop this type of a activity.

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James H. Anderson

November 20,2013
Senior Judge Roslyn O. Silver
United States District Court
Sandra Day O'Connor U.S. Courthouse, Suite 624
401 West Washington Street, SPC 59
Phoenix, AZ 85003-2158
Dear Senior Judge Silver:
It's never been clear to me what a Judge's job is: to apply intellect, scholarly knowledge and
precedent to cases at hand in order to render a scientifically and legally correct verdict, or
to do justice. Or perhaps it is some combination of the two. In a perfect world of course one
would do both simultaneously. But I venture to guess that since our world is imperfect, that
is why your job is such a difficult one. Ajob that one doesn't come by easily.
Though I wouldn'tdare'co'mparemyselfwithsomeone of your credentials and a'U.S; Senate
confirmation no less.Lean fairly say that I did l1otcomebymyjobeasiIy either; '; ,
To (getmyjob I had to have a spotless record, a four-year degree or higher; uncorrected
20/20 visionandabout'Ifl years of applicable experience. Once I'met those qualifications I
felt lucky when I was invited to travel across the countrythree different times for three
succeeding interviews that included challenging written tests, medical and psychological
evaluations, on the job operational testing, verbal quizzing and testing and other extensive
screenings culminating in a very stressful board interview, Only about one out of seven
invitees to the initial interviews ultimately received an offer of employment.
When I accomplished all of this'and was hired for lily dream job at the relatively young age
of 28 I was thrilled. It was reflected by those who surrounded me, who all had to go
through the same selection process. And it was reflected by the career that lay ahead of us.
We all had gotten a job where we worked under one of the leading contracts in the industry
with some of the highest levels of compensation, an outstanding retirement program and
the best training, professional envir-onment and work rules in the industry.
We all looked forward to our defined benefit retirement plan that provided us with a
guaranteed lifetime annuity 'of over $10,000per inonth for life beginning at age 60, or
under many-circumstances a lump sum payment of just over one million dollars:
We werethe bestof the'best andWere compensated accordingly, Formermilitary officers
consisting of commanders, fighter and transport pilots and educated, refined, credentialed,
experienced and carefully selected civilians. We were, and still are, the Sully's of aviation:
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just the kind of person you want in the cockpit of the airliner you're flying on when the
chips are down.
These criteria and compensation levels applied to all three of the legacy airlines that had
come together to form U.S. Airways: Pacific Southwest Airlines (where Sully came from),
Piedmont Airlines where I was hired in 1989, and USAir, with roots back to the original Air
Mail service in the 1930's.
I don't know whether or not you're a fan of baseball but I feel comfortable saying with
some certainty that when a kid is growing up and wants to be a baseball player he doesn't
say "When I grow up I want to play for the Reno Aces!" No, s/he wants to play for the
Arizona Diamondbacks, the San Francisco Giants or the New York Yankees. Not the Fresno
Grizzlies or the Wilkes Barre Rail Riders.
I mention this, much of which you likely already know, because I also have a unique
perspective of America West Airlines: Through a provision of the Transition Agreement I
was one of only 5 "East" pilots who ended up flying out of Phoenix in the former America
West system between December 2007 and August 2008. And let me tell you, it was not
what I was used to!
As it is in baseball, so it is also with the airlines. Nobody with my qualifications aspired to
become a pilot for America West. Rather, the pilots of America West ended up there after
not making the cut at American, Delta, Northwest, United, USAir, PSA, Piedmont or the
other top-tier legacy airlines. I accurately felt that I had temporarily been "sent down" to
AAA from my spot in the major leagues.
All of a sudden I was flying with a group of rag-tag pilots who by their standards, had hit
the big-time and were flying jet airliners. Few, (26%, I am told) had a four-year degree.
Many wore thick glasses and many were quite overweight. Rather than officers, the
military veterans were former load-masters, landing signal officers and other noncommissioned
officers. And the core group who helped to get the airline up and running in
the 1980's were former strike-breakers from the big 1983 strike at Continental Airlines.
Even my simulator training instructor was second-tier. He was an 83 year old subcontractor
in a polo shirt and khakis, not a suit-clad check airman who was a manager in
the flight operations department at a major airline like I was used to.
The same standard held true for their fleet and working conditions. The America West
pilots had no retirement program besides a 401(k), worked to the limits permitted by
regulation and even had a joke about the airplanes they flew. It was "We had a
standardized fleet. Until we got our second airplane." It too was a rag-tag collection of used
and lease-returned airplanes. Never once did a shiny new plane make its way from the
factory straight on over to Phoenix. (Standardization in the cockpit is a hallmark of safety,
and identical cockpits like we had on every single airplane in the East were a rarity on the
West fleet.)
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Upon consummation of the merger the former America West flight operations department,
including all of flight training and standards, was gutted and replaced in its entirety by the
East flight operations department. And the fleet was upgraded. All of the old 737's were
replaced by brand new A-321's and every other airplane was upgraded and retrofitted to
meet the standards of our top-tier airline.
While I was there, America West had its very best pilot contract ever while U.S. Airways
had its absolute worst, after two bankruptcies. Ironically these two contracts were pretty
much the same when it came to total compensation.
I can't tell you how thrilled the five of us East pilots flying in the West were when we got to
return to the East in October, 2008 when the America West Las Vegas base was closed and
Phoenix pilots were furloughed.
Since then and with time it has become increasingly clear that the value of the U.S. Airways
franchise is in the East. Unlike the five of us East pilots who got stuck in the West for a short
time five years ago, today the twenty or so West Pilots who have been flying in the East for
the last severa/years are fighting tooth and nail to not have to go back to the West.
Meanwhile, shiny new Airbuses, including brand new wide-bodies continue to be delivered
to the East as classes of 20 new-hire pilots per month come to the East month after month.
And the East continues to add new international destinations such as Istanbul, Athens and
Edinburgh.
For the old America West, how likely would a merger with American Airlines have been
without U.S. Airways? Please forgive me if I sound like a snob but it is true: Never in their
wildest dreams did a single America West pilot ever think he would be flying brand new
wide-body aircraft to Europe while making $200,000 a year. But now they can.
Why am I telling you all of this? Perhaps I sound entitled. I love to root for the underdog.
But I can tell you this for certain: I earned my job to be with the best of the best when I was
hired in 1989. And I guarantee that anyone of the current West pilots would have accepted
my job offer on the date I got it over the one that they have now if they could have gotten it.
But they couldn't.
If you think it's fair to take a kid who was sitting in new-hire ground school at America
West in 2005 while I had 16 years of service flying in the East and put him over 300
seniority numbers ahead of me, then implement the Nicolau Award.
If you think it's fair to take an America West pilot who started at that airline 10 years after I
was flying at U.S. Airways, who couldn't make the cut at USAir, Piedmont, PSA, American,
Delta or United and make him a wide body captain flying to Europe while simultaneously
making me his career co-pilot, then implement the Nicolau Award.
To be blunt, with the formation of the new American Airlines the pilots of the East and the
pilots at American will be getting the career they qualified for, earned and expected. And
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the pilots of the West will be getting a payday, bonus and career beyond their wildest
expectations. I would hope that that would be enough.
But ifnot, then implement the Nicolau and staple me and my peers behind each and every
one of them.
If that's fair though, I'd have to think that it would be equally fair to place a career Ex Parte
or Municipal Court Judge directly into Federal District Court, while giving him/her
immediate senior status and waiving the Senate confirmation requirements in the process.
Thank you for your consideration,

Sincerely,
James H. Anderson

Court response:


Don Addington, et al.,
Plaintiffs,
vs.
US Airline Pilots Association, et al.,
Defendants.
)))))))))))
No. CV-13-00471-PHX-ROS
ORDER
The Court recently received another letter from a pilot. That letter will be docketed, as was a prior letter from a different pilot. (Doc. 198). These letters are not appropriate and the parties will be directed to communicate to all pilots that no additional letters should be sent. In the event the Court receives future letters, they will be returned to sender rather than docketed.
Accordingly,
IT IS ORDERED the parties shall immediately communicate to all pilots that they should not send letters directly to the Court and any letters will be immediately returned to sender.
DATED this 26th day of November, 2013.
 
PullUp said:
Don't particularly like the 737 per se, but l like actually flying the aircraft.
 
Slow, noisey, small flight deck, no table or electric outlet. 
 
What's not to like?
 
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Merger Committee Update

Details Created on Saturday, 17 January 2015 20:57



Over the past week, the Merger Committee and counsel have carefully reviewed the decision in the Preliminary Arbitration which directed APA to create a separate merger committee for former America West pilots.

We are obviously disappointed with the decision. It failed to address the important arguments we presented concerning the proper interpretation of the McCaskill-Bond Amendment and the binding effect of the January 2014 decision of the United States District Court in Arizona in Addington II. Indeed, the Preliminary Arbitration decision fails to analyze the language of McCaskill-Bond at all. Moreover, the Preliminary Arbitration decision, without any reasoning, relied upon statements by the Arizona District Court that are clearly “dicta” and which the Addington Plaintiffs have conceded are without legal effect. The Preliminary Arbitration decision was wrong on a number of other points as well.

The only matter decided by the Preliminary Arbitration, however, was whether there would be an APA Committee created to represent the former America West pilots. Neither the decision in the Preliminary Arbitration nor any part of the evidence or proceedings in the Preliminary Arbitration is admissible in the SLI proceeding.

Litigation is always an option to protect the rights of our pilots, and the Committee will not hesitate to pursue appropriate claims if the Committee determines such action is necessary. In the judgment of the Merger Committee and its counsel, litigation concerning the Preliminary Arbitration decision is not necessary at this time to protect the rights of our pilots. The Merger Committee and counsel will continue to review and evaluate matters as they progress, always with the purpose of protecting the interests of the US Airways pilots.

At the hearing in the Preliminary Arbitration and in subsequent communications, the former America West pilots have indicated their seeming intention to predicate their proposal for integrating seniority based on an “updated Nicolau list.” We do not believe such a proposal is consistent with the RLA status quo at US Airways, with McCaskill-Bond, with the MOU or the Protocol Agreement or with the decisions of the United States District Court in Arizona. Nor do we believe such a proposal is in the best interests of US Airways pilots. The APA America West Merger Committee is free to make whatever proposal it wants, but whatever it proposes is just that – a proposal – nothing more. We are fully prepared to oppose any proposal that attempts to integrate the pilots of the New American Airlines in any manner that is not fair and equitable.

The Merger Committee will continue its work to certify the seniority lists at American and US Airways. We anticipate discussing various issues with the APA Committees, finalizing the schedule for the SLI hearings and preparing for those hearings. The Company is still in the process of producing information requested by APA’s American Airlines Pilots Seniority Integration Committee (the “AA PSIC”) and by the USAPA Merger Committee. The certification process cannot be completed without this information as well as the agreement of the new APA America West Committee.

We will continue to keep you informed of our efforts and the process.

USAPA Merger Committee
 
end_of_alpa said:
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Merger Committee Update
Details Created on Saturday, 17 January 2015 20:57
Over the past week, the Merger Committee and counsel have carefully reviewed the decision in the Preliminary Arbitration which directed APA to create a separate merger committee for former America West pilots.
We are obviously disappointed with the decision. It failed to address the important arguments we presented concerning the proper interpretation of the McCaskill-Bond Amendment and the binding effect of the January 2014 decision of the United States District Court in Arizona in Addington II. Indeed, the Preliminary Arbitration decision fails to analyze the language of McCaskill-Bond at all. Moreover, the Preliminary Arbitration decision, without any reasoning, relied upon statements by the Arizona District Court that are clearly dicta and which the Addington Plaintiffs have conceded are without legal effect. The Preliminary Arbitration decision was wrong on a number of other points as well.
The only matter decided by the Preliminary Arbitration, however, was whether there would be an APA Committee created to represent the former America West pilots. Neither the decision in the Preliminary Arbitration nor any part of the evidence or proceedings in the Preliminary Arbitration is admissible in the SLI proceeding.
Litigation is always an option to protect the rights of our pilots, and the Committee will not hesitate to pursue appropriate claims if the Committee determines such action is necessary. In the judgment of the Merger Committee and its counsel, litigation concerning the Preliminary Arbitration decision is not necessary at this time to protect the rights of our pilots. The Merger Committee and counsel will continue to review and evaluate matters as they progress, always with the purpose of protecting the interests of the US Airways pilots.
At the hearing in the Preliminary Arbitration and in subsequent communications, the former America West pilots have indicated their seeming intention to predicate their proposal for integrating seniority based on an updated Nicolau list. We do not believe such a proposal is consistent with the RLA status quo at US Airways, with McCaskill-Bond, with the MOU or the Protocol Agreement or with the decisions of the United States District Court in Arizona. Nor do we believe such a proposal is in the best interests of US Airways pilots. The APA America West Merger Committee is free to make whatever proposal it wants, but whatever it proposes is just that a proposal nothing more. We are fully prepared to oppose any proposal that attempts to integrate the pilots of the New American Airlines in any manner that is not fair and equitable.
The Merger Committee will continue its work to certify the seniority lists at American and US Airways. We anticipate discussing various issues with the APA Committees, finalizing the schedule for the SLI hearings and preparing for those hearings. The Company is still in the process of producing information requested by APAs American Airlines Pilots Seniority Integration Committee (the AA PSIC) and by the USAPA Merger Committee. The certification process cannot be completed without this information as well as the agreement of the new APA America West Committee.
We will continue to keep you informed of our efforts and the process.
USAPA Merger Committee
Its not over. Not by a long shot. Waiting for the Ninth Circuit in April and USAPA has two years statute of limitations to file for vacate of the PAB decision. The gift that keeps on giving.
 
end_of_alpa said:
 

 In the judgment of the Merger Committee and its counsel, litigation concerning the Preliminary Arbitration decision is not necessary at this time to protect the rights of our pilots.
 
Who is USAPA LLC going to sue, APA or the Arbitration Panel?  :lol:
 
end_of_alpa said:
Its not over. Not by a long shot. Waiting for the Ninth Circuit in April and USAPA has two years statute of limitations to file for vacate of the PAB decision. The gift that keeps on giving.
Take your best shot scab. Just pray the money you're attempting to steal isn't siezed. You arrogant a-holes wouldn't last a day self funding a fight.
 
traderjake said:
 
Who is USAPA LLC going to sue, APA or the Arbitration Panel? 
They sue APA and the Company to vacate the PAB.  USAPA isn't an LLC.  It's an unincorporated nonprofit organization.  Just like most all labor unions.  Here is just one treatise on the subject: http://scholarship.law.duke.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1845&context=dlj
 
The Protocol Agreement, the MOU and ultimately the Statute (which USAPA never waived its statutory rights under the protocol agreement) controls.
 
Hey I don't make the law, I just read it and the court decisions that support it.  SLI is going to be awhile.
 
Res Judicata said:
Take your best shot scab. Just pray the money you're attempting to steal isn't siezed. You arrogant a-holes wouldn't last a day self funding a fight.
There it is.......!
 
At least it's money you gave.  That makes me smile!!!
 
Claxon said:
You show up at the SLI with that Nic fantasy. Hope you do. The APA finally will smarten up and slam you into the hurt locker.
Res Judicata said:
Take your best shot scab. Just pray the money you're attempting to steal isn't siezed. You arrogant a-holes wouldn't last a day self funding a fight.
We expected a lawsuit by Friday. They know their case is weak, they are no longer being funded and they know Leonidas is in the process of challenging the funds they now hold. That recent billing activity, putting people in bad standing with "sloppy" accounting speaks volumes.

The update is laughable, especially this part:

"At the hearing in the Preliminary Arbitration and in subsequent communications, the former America West pilots have indicated their seeming intention to predicate their proposal for integrating seniority based on an updated Nicolau list. We do not believe such a proposal is consistent with the RLA status quo at US Airways, with McCaskill-Bond, with the MOU or the Protocol Agreement or with the decisions of the United States District Court in Arizona. Nor do we believe such a proposal is in the best interests of US Airways pilots. The APA America West Merger Committee is free to make whatever proposal it wants, but whatever it proposes is just that a proposal nothing more. We are fully prepared to oppose any proposal that attempts to integrate the pilots of the New American Airlines in any manner that is not fair and equitable."

Claxon and EOA, I have a message for you, our objectives have not changed since the founding of Leonidas. The line that has changed is we will not allow our rights to be trod upon by USAPA LLC.

We, the former pilots of America West Airlines, hereby declare the following:

We fully demand all of our legal rights, in their entirety, within the new US Airways, or any successor airline.

We require full, good faith compliance with our existing contract, the Transition Agreement and ALPA merger policy from all parties.

We will not allow our rights to be trod upon by USAPA, the East MEC, ALPA National, or the company.

We will aggressively seek any and all available legal remedies against any party which mightseek to dilute our rights.

We will not tolerate discrimination against the pilots of America West in any form, including the dilution of the Nicolau Award by any means, contractual or otherwise.

We will not engage in fruitless debates over matters already settled.

We will remain perpetually poised to aggressively defend our rights until such time when we
are no longer threatened.
 
CactusPilot1 said:
We expected a lawsuit by Friday. They know their case is weak, they are no longer being funded and they know Leonidas is in the process of challenging the funds they now hold. That recent billing activity, putting people in bad standing with "sloppy" accounting speaks volumes.

The update is laughable, especially this part:

"At the hearing in the Preliminary Arbitration and in subsequent communications, the former America West pilots have indicated their seeming intention to predicate their proposal for integrating seniority based on an updated Nicolau list. We do not believe such a proposal is consistent with the RLA status quo at US Airways, with McCaskill-Bond, with the MOU or the Protocol Agreement or with the decisions of the United States District Court in Arizona. Nor do we believe such a proposal is in the best interests of US Airways pilots. The APA America West Merger Committee is free to make whatever proposal it wants, but whatever it proposes is just that a proposal nothing more. We are fully prepared to oppose any proposal that attempts to integrate the pilots of the New American Airlines in any manner that is not fair and equitable."

Claxon and EOA, I have a message for you, our objectives have not changed since the founding of Leonidas. The line that has changed is we will not allow our rights to be trod upon by USAPA LLC.

We, the former pilots of America West Airlines, hereby declare the following:

We fully demand all of our legal rights, in their entirety, within the new US Airways, or any successor airline.

We require full, good faith compliance with our existing contract, the Transition Agreement and ALPA merger policy from all parties.

We will not allow our rights to be trod upon by USAPA, the East MEC, ALPA National, or the company.

We will aggressively seek any and all available legal remedies against any party which mightseek to dilute our rights.

We will not tolerate discrimination against the pilots of America West in any form, including the dilution of the Nicolau Award by any means, contractual or otherwise.

We will not engage in fruitless debates over matters already settled.

We will remain perpetually poised to aggressively defend our rights until such time when we
are no longer threatened.
We'll see.  Two year statute of limitations.  Just saying.
 
Res Judicata said:
Take your best shot scab. Just pray the money you're attempting to steal isn't siezed. You arrogant a-holes wouldn't last a day self funding a fight.
John Augustus Larson. An American Hero.
 
Claxon said:
John Augustus Larson. An American Hero.
Claxon, he's much like Cleary. A narcissist, as long as there is a spotlight, he'll buzz around the black light until he gets zapped.
 
EastCheats said:
Claxon, he's much like Cleary. A narcissist, as long as there is a spotlight, he'll buzz around the black light until he gets zapped.
I will take Cleary any day. Eric was offered the Nic and the constraints would be long gone.
He buzzed around and got you zero and locked in PHX. You would be bidding every captain bid on the 330, 76 and little bus. Now you can't.
As much as you Spinit, you cannot deny that truth.
 
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