2015 Pilot Discussion.

[luvthe9]

. Next time you go to a training center brown bag lunch, before you go after the company and the East, keep in mind how close we were to a TA prior to the NIC. We did it to ourselves, guys.

Dave Blomgren, for the U-Turn



Dave knows!!!!!!

 

[EastCheats]

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And boy do you scabs whine about it a lot, I'm surprised Marty has not told you the truth, guess he's still milking you kids.
Wye River did you boys in.
"Yes, the East offered the NIC. They just wanted to protect their retirement attrition, which stalled by the change in Age-60. Looking back, that offer must look like a home run to any West pilot right now,"
Stuck in PHX for another year and half at least.

Remember Marty sending you his best wishes for the new year? 2015 is off to a great start. The mini-arb granted our independence and Marty is well on his way to collecting our money.

What's in your wallet?



December 31,2014
Brian O'Dwyer [email protected] O'DWYER & BERNSTIEN, LLP 52 Duane Street, 5th Floor New York, NY 10007

Dear Brian,

I wanted to get this letter to you before 2014 is behind us. It is precipitated by the Joint CLT, PHL, DCA USAPA Update from December 27, 2014.

In that Update, the eight former East Pilots, who are now BPR members, clearly state that "USAPA exists almost exclusively to represent the interests of our pilots during the seniority integration process..." The West Pilots reject the suggestion that USAPA, the nonprofit association, exists to represent them in the SLI process.

As the West Pilots have stated on numerous occasions in the past, and most recently in the arbitration in Washington, DC earlier this month, they do not want or recognize the East Pilots as representing them in any seniority process. Nor do they want any of their excess USAPA Union dues used for this purpose. So, as we have requested repeatedly in the past, please make sure that the four National Officers take all appropriate steps to ensure that the excess West Pilot dues money is not used against the seniority interests of the West Pilots.
Very truly yours,
Marty

 

[Claxon]

According to our reports, on Day One of Wye River, Jeff Freund warned the West MEC that if USAPA won, the West risked losing everything. He urged reaching an agreement. He was gone on Day Two. We won’t address his motivation for leaving.
As Jeff Freund observed in his rebuttal to the East MEC lawsuit, the NIC was not in stone. And the loss of ALPA put it in real trouble. At least ALPA had the obligation, through the ALPA Merger Policy, to attempt to get the company to use the NIC Award.

ALPA’s lawyers knew the list was negotiable, but they never told either rank and file. We attended last summer’s ALPA road shows in PHX, starring Paul Rice and a cast of ALPA attorneys. Did ALPA ever hint that the NIC was negotiable? We believe it was for fear of fanning the flames and drawing more support for USAPA that Herndon kept that from us. They did tell all the Wye River attendees the reality. One side listened, the other didn’t.

In last summer’s East Vs West lawsuit, the East used ALPA DUES MONEY and an ALPA-Approved attorney, Roland Wilder, to pursue the case. As far as we can determine, we had to use our own Merger Fund money to defend ourselves. Thanks for choosing sides, ALPA! In the likely event that the NIC will be trashed in a single contract, it will be our own voluntary contributions that will have to be raised for a DFR lawsuit. USAPA expects it, so we shouldn’t disappoint them. This could be an extremely costly effort that could drag on for years. U-Turn is not discouraging filing a DFR, and we need closure.

Jeff Freund is a top-notch lawyer. We have no doubt that he told our MEC the truth about how negotiable the NIC really was. The question is: why didn’t CJ, Bendett, et al, listen? We figure that they either didn’t believe him or after all their hairy-chested resolutions and hotlines, they were afraid to back down. What good are attorneys if you don’t take their advice?

There is one other possibility. We mentioned it in a previous U-Turn. Our union leaders believed that the USAPA vote would be close (razor’s edge, to quote one of them) and that it was worth holding out and rolling the dice, figuring that if ALPA survived, so would the NIC. Too bad ALPA didn’t explain the importance of the 30% of East pilots who refused to participate in the Wilson Polling.

We now have a better picture what the East MEC had on the table: an 8 year fence, furloughs by longevity (LOS), MDA time not counting for longevity, Dave O’Dell having 400 pilots below him, and the Nic surviving as THE LIST. Yes, the East offered the NIC. They just wanted to protect their retirement attrition, which stalled by the change in Age-60. Looking back, that offer must look like a home run to any West pilot right now, but last February the EAST MEC and ALPA couldn’t get to first base with it.

Our former MEC and our union leadership played a very high stakes game of poker by not dealing at Wye River. Freund was right, we were risking everything…..and right now, it looks like we lost. They need to take responsibility for that.

 

[Claxon]

Answer with your usual rhetoric west pilots. It is very clear from the west pilots currently posting , how and why the Nic slipped away. It was offered, but the hard liners like Eastcheats, Cactuspilot1 and SNAPTHIS drove the membership into the ditch.

These are the facts which will continually rebut the FUD thrown by certain west posters.

 

[luvthe9]

Marty is well on his way to collecting our money.


What's in your wallet?

Well point one, I agree, he's taking all your money which is fine, your stupid.

Point two, my wallet, A lot of upgrades some even around a year, wide bodies and not locked in PHX a, your stupid, and it seems unfixable..

 

[Claxon]

Take responsibility west pilots. You were offered the Nic, yet turned it down.

 

[luvthe9]

Your little AFO club needs to stop this crap, your finished, it's been long over, stop destroying the careers of you fellow west pilots.


Your lucky your own group does not go after you for damages.

 

[EastCheats]

Answer with your usual rhetoric west pilots. It is very clear from the west pilots currently posting , how and why the Nic slipped away. It was offered, but the hard liners like Eastcheats, Cactuspilot1 and SNAPTHIS drove the membership into the ditch.
These are the facts which will continually rebut the FUD thrown by certain west posters.

Dismissed

 

[EastCheats]

Well point one, I agree, he's taking all your money which is fine, your stupid.
Point two, my wallet, A lot of upgrades some even around a year, wide bodies and not locked in PHX a, your stupid, and it seems unfixable..

Minion

 

[EastCheats]

Take responsibility west pilots. You were offered the Nic, yet turned it down.

Dismissed

 

[EastCheats]

Your little AFO club needs to stop this crap, your finished, it's been long over, stop destroying the careers of you fellow west pilots.
Your lucky your own group does not go after you for damages.

Minion

 

[luvthe9]

Minion

Our little AFO is getting upset. YOU screwed up, TAKE RESPONSIBILITY!!





PS your no match for the APA! You'll find out soon enough.

 

[luvthe9]

"To me it was sad, after all the work we put into the TA to keep the flying separated at the Mississippi, it was given away at the new MEC's first joint meeting. Now you have the rest of the story. Don't want to repeat history? Don't do the same things over and over."

Frank Helton and Dave Blomgren, for the U-Turn





Listen to Frank and Dave, they know its been over.

 

[Claxon]

Dimissed

Exact point made.

 

[EastCheats]

Exact point made.

Thanks for noticing