2015 Pilot Discussion.

[PullUp]

I'm just so relieved that this will all be over soon.
But, what will we discuss then?
Cheers.

 

[nycbusdriver]

I'm just so relieved that this will all be over soon.
But, what will we discuss then?
Cheers.

 
We will still be working for Parker and Kirby.  I think there will be plenty to complain about.

 

[A320 Driver]

I think the USAPA merger committee would have been constrained in what it could present in SLI arbitration by its obligation to incorporate the legitimate interests of the west pilots. I also think the committee would have taken that obligation seriously.
Although USAPA no longer had a DFR responsibility, there was an implied DFR standard to present a F&E proposal which addressed the admonishment of the courts to do no harm to the west and to provide a legitimate union purpose if deviating from the Nic. Those constraints are now gone.
The USAPA merger committee should reevaluate their strategy in light of the preliminary arbitration decision and see it as an opportunity to fully and aggressively represent the interests of the east pilots and only the east pilots.
Whether a CAL/UAL model is used, or one which emphasizes LOS, the LAA and LUS east have more in common than not.

That is a VERY good point. West will have to find their own way to use the NIC if they so desire. East has now washed their hands of it for good.

 

[Metroyet]

That is a VERY good point. West will have to find their own way to use the NIC if they so desire. East has now washed their hands of it for good.

LOL!  As if they hadn't "washed their hands" of it years ago.

 

[nevergiveup]

LOL!  As if they hadn't "washed their hands" of it years ago.

send Marty more $$$. His victory just netted you.........well.........it's the thought that counts.

 

[Metroyet]

send Marty more $$$. His victory just netted you.........well.........it's the thought that counts.

Someday you'll learn that your biggest problem has been yourself. Not Marty or the minority pilot group you've tirelessly tried to screw for years. Unsuccessfully.

 

[luvthe9]

Unsuccessfully.

You embarrass the west pilots with every post you make, I would say our one year captains and new hire wide body kids would disagree with you, not to mention all the growth we have enjoyed. Let's hope things keep going "unsuccessfully".

 

[nycbusdriver]

send Marty more $$$. His victory just netted you.........well.........it's the thought that counts.

 
Did anyone ask Marty where the "billions in damages" was mentioned?

 

[CactusPilot1]

Did anyone ask Marty where the "billions in damages" was mentioned?

I'm wondering why you idiots think there is the need for a decertified fake union having an election?


National Officer, Appeal Board, and PHL Domicile Officer Nomination Results

2015 National Officer, Appeal Board, and PHL Domicile Representatives Candidate Nominations

The Ballot Certification Committee thanks all members who participated in the National Officer, Appeal Board, and PHL Domicile Representative nomination process. Nominations closed at 1400 ET Friday, January 9, 2015.

Nominees shall execute a statement, in a form provided by the Secretary-Treasurer, indicating a willingness to serve if elected and the Conflict of Interest Disclosure form set forth in Appendix B to the USAPA Constitution & Bylaws. These forms are available in the Ballot Certification Committee section of the USAPA Web site. A nominee may only run for one position and must denote it on the Willing to Serve form. The executed Willing to Serve form and Conflict of Interest Disclosure form must be received by the Secretary-Treasurer no later than 1700 ET on January 16, 2015 to be included on the ballot. If desired, these forms may be transmitted via fax to (704) 936-4592.

Balloting will take place by Internet and telephone from January 22, 2015 through February 12, 2015. If necessary, a runoff election is anticipated to be conducted from February 19, 2015 through March 12, 2015. Notice of election with account activation information and voting instructions will be mailed 21 days prior to the close of voting.

Nomination for President, number of nominees: 8
Nominee
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Borman
Courtney
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CLT
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Quantity over quality

 

[EastUS1]

 
Did anyone ask Marty where the "billions in damages" was mentioned?

 
I think we'd have to check back with the original poster nic4us on just how well that particular fantasy worked out. Ya' gotta' admit that any people so seriously delusional that they could even imagine they'd receive literally "billions in damages" were good for some hearty laughs, well, after a person could stop just shaking their head in stunned disbelief anyway.

 

[EastUS1]

Someday you'll learn that your biggest problem has been yourself. .....

 
Would you be kind enough to set up yet another of the west's infamous "T-minus" countdown clocks for us, so we can at least be decently forewarned of that approaching epiphany?  Heck, I can't even find the forever running "clock" on the cactuspilot site that kept time from the nic "award", or was that finally taken down in complete embarrassment?

 

[Res Judicata]

You embarrass the west pilots with every post you make, I would say our one year captains and new hire wide body kids would disagree with you, not to mention all the growth we have enjoyed. Let's hope things keep going "unsuccessfully".

So are you admitting that the west pilots union called "USAPA" was in fact trying to screw them?

We'll file that under "no ****".

 

[luvthe9]

So are you admitting that the west pilots union called "USAPA" was in fact trying to screw them?
We'll file that under "no ####".

You are the wests biggest idiot, you screwed yourselves we just sat back and watched and laughed, REMEMBER YOU WERE OFFERED THE NIC, AND TURNED IT DOWN. Go run along now.

 

[luvthe9]

PHL Pilots

During the next few weeks there will be several opportunities to educate yourself before participating in the upcoming vote. The first opportunity will be an informal Q & A session this Wednesday (1/14) at the Airport Marriott from 9:00 AM to 3:00 PM. There will also be a negotiating committee road show during the week 1/19 but at this time are unable to provide an exact date and time; we should have the road show specifics early next week. If you are unable to attend one of the upcoming meetings, the APA website is always a good source of information. As always, you can also contact either Paul DiOrio or Paul Music via telephone or email.

Also, during the past few weeks we have received numerous messages regarding the arbitration process. Below are 9 questions that hopefully will answer some of your questions.
Q. Can APA refuse the company’s December 23, 2014 proffer of arbitration?
A. No, APA must accept the company’s proffer.
Q. Does accepting a proffer of arbitration require APA to propose or accept changes to the green book?
A. No, by accepting the Company’s proffer, APA is not then required to propose or accept any changes to the green book.
Q. By accepting a proffer of arbitration, does that then open the door for the company to make unwanted work rule changes?
A. No, if APA accepts the green book, the company is not permitted to propose any work rule changes.
Q. What is the purpose of the arbitration clause outlined in paragraph 27 of the MOU?
A. As background, during bankruptcy, Management and the Unsecured Creditors Committee did not want the JCBA to produce a second bite of the apple for APA. As a result, they insisted that any contractual changes sought by APA must be cost neutral.
According to paragraph 27 of the MOU, the arbitrators are to “fashion provisions which are consistent with the terms of the MTA [green book], including provisions which implement the terms of the MTA or facilitate the integration of pilots under the terms of the MTA.” This means neither side can propose any significant changes to the green book, unless both APA and the company agree to expand the arbitrators’ jurisdiction. As a practical matter, the main purpose of the arbitration will be to address the implementation of the green book to all pilots at the company.
Q. If APA proposes changes to the green book and we ultimately end up arbitrating valuations, is Scope excluded from the arbitrators’ decision?
A. Yes, Scope is specifically excluded from the cost neutral arbitration.
Q If APA accepts the green book, can the company still require APA to make unwanted work rule changes to the current green book (e.g. Domestic/International, HBT, Vacancy Bid, or Reserve Call out)?
A. No, any work rule changes to the green book, including the concessions sought by the company during the JCBA negotiations, are then off the table.
Q. What if there is conflicting language between the green book, east and west contracts, doesn’t that require us to go to arbitration?
A. No, by accepting the green book, any conflicting language defaults to the green book.
Q. Are there any limitations to the arbitrator’s award?
A. Yes. The arbitrator’s award specifically shall adhere to the economic terms of the MTA (cost neutral) and shall not change the MTA’s Scope terms or modify modifications generated by paragraph 24 of the MOU.
Q. If APA accepts the green book, does that have any effect on our scheduled future raises and the mid contract adjustment outlined in the green book and MOU?
A. No, in addition to the raise we just received on 1/1/15, we will also receive a mid-contract adjustment on 1/1/2016 and 3.5% raises on 1/1/2017 and 1/1/2018.

Hope this helps clear up any confusion and hopefully we will see you at one of the upcoming meetings.

In Unity,


Paul DiOrio and Paul Music

 

[traderjake]

Whether a CAL/UAL model is used, or one which emphasizes LOS.....

 
Our resident Luddite still can't extricate himself from the last century.