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January 9, 2015 America West Merger Committee Update
 
We are pleased to announce that the Preliminary Arbitration panel has issued an award granting the America West Merger Committee's request to be designated as an independent, autonomous merger committee in the McCaskill-Bond seniority integration process. The Award states, in part:
“[T]he Board concludes that APA's designation of a West Pilots Merger Committee is consistent with the Protocol and MOU; is consistent with the McCaskill-Bond requirement that the SLI process be ‘fair and equitable;’ is a proper and reasonable exercise of its discretion; and is fully consistent with APA's duty of fair representation to all Company pilots. Indeed, in this particular case, the Board concludes that ‘fairness and equity’ demand the appointment of a West Pilot Merger Committee to participate in the SLI process.”
 
We have posted the Award on our website at www.west-merger-committee.com
Although many of you might have believed this arbitration outcome to be a foregone conclusion from the outset, the arbitration itself and the path to get here were anything but certain. Therefore, it is worth taking a few moments to consider the significance of this arbitration award.
 
On April 18, 2008, America West pilots were forcefully robbed of our representational autonomy by a very formidable and spiteful majority known as USAPA. As we all know, the primary purpose of USAPA was to remove any and all authority America West pilots had with regard to the bargaining rights over our seniority, and hand those rights to the East pilots who could then attempt to unilaterally dictate new seniority terms to us. The Preliminary Arbitration Award (“PAA”) affirmatively returns those rights to their rightful owners: the America West pilots.
 
In other words, we have now officially survived USAPA's reign and have once again assured that our seniority rights can ONLY be resolved according to fair and equitable principles in a fair and equitable process.
 
Today's news also means that the burden of defending or bringing seniority-related lawsuits is no longer that of the West pilots. While it is our hope that USAPA will simply accept this outcome and find ways to work with us moving forward, USAPA's history suggests the likelihood of yet another legal challenge to an arbitrator's decision. However, we believe that both American Airlines and APA entered into the Protocol Agreement fully prepared to defend any legal challenge USAPA may bring, and will succeed at doing so.
 
Today's news further means that our seniority dispute is officially removed from the uncertainty of the federal court system and rightfully placed back into the very forum in which the Nicolau Award was created: labor arbitration. We will no longer need to advocate for our seniority rights with expensive lawsuits that span many years, decided by federal judges constrained by archaic labor laws. We have now returned a forum that will give proper due to the Nicolau Award and that is extremely capable of affirmatively and permanently resolving our dispute.
 
Having said all of the above, it is now more important than ever that we put aside all of this unpleasant history, but still learn and apply its lessons. Perhaps the largest lesson of the past several years is that the seniority integration MUST be resolved in the agreed-to process, and cannot and will not be resolved in cockpits and crew rooms. And although we have to expect that each committee will have widely disparate views about how our respective seniority lists should be integrated, those views should begin and end within that process. There WILL be an integrated airline at the end of this process this time, we will be sharing cockpits with our counterparts, and none of us wants to come to work in a divided, hostile work environment.
Pursuant to the terms of the Protocol Agreement, we will immediately begin efforts to procure employment data from the company and the other merger committees, as well as engage the other committees with regard to preliminary matters.
This is a very proud day for the America West pilots. We simply could not be here today without our unity, and your continuing moral and financial support. We look forward to keeping you updated in the coming weeks.
 
In solidarity,
The America West Merger Committee
David Braid        Mark Burman        Johan de Vicq
Eric Ferguson       Jeff O'Connell       Russ Payne
Jim Van Sickle      Mitch Vasin        Roger Velez
www.cactuspilot.com
 
snapthis said:
January 9, 2015 America West Merger Committee Update
 
We are pleased to announce that the Preliminary Arbitration panel has issued an award granting the America West Merger Committee's request to be designated as an independent, autonomous merger committee in the McCaskill-Bond seniority integration process. The Award states, in part:
“[T]he Board concludes that APA's designation of a West Pilots Merger Committee is consistent with the Protocol and MOU; is consistent with the McCaskill-Bond requirement that the SLI process be ‘fair and equitable;’ is a proper and reasonable exercise of its discretion; and is fully consistent with APA's duty of fair representation to all Company pilots. Indeed, in this particular case, the Board concludes that ‘fairness and equity’ demand the appointment of a West Pilot Merger Committee to participate in the SLI process.”
 
We have posted the Award on our website at www.west-merger-committee.com
Although many of you might have believed this arbitration outcome to be a foregone conclusion from the outset, the arbitration itself and the path to get here were anything but certain. Therefore, it is worth taking a few moments to consider the significance of this arbitration award.
 
On April 18, 2008, America West pilots were forcefully robbed of our representational autonomy by a very formidable and spiteful majority known as USAPA. As we all know, the primary purpose of USAPA was to remove any and all authority America West pilots had with regard to the bargaining rights over our seniority, and hand those rights to the East pilots who could then attempt to unilaterally dictate new seniority terms to us. The Preliminary Arbitration Award (“PAA”) affirmatively returns those rights to their rightful owners: the America West pilots.
 
In other words, we have now officially survived USAPA's reign and have once again assured that our seniority rights can ONLY be resolved according to fair and equitable principles in a fair and equitable process.
 
Today's news also means that the burden of defending or bringing seniority-related lawsuits is no longer that of the West pilots. While it is our hope that USAPA will simply accept this outcome and find ways to work with us moving forward, USAPA's history suggests the likelihood of yet another legal challenge to an arbitrator's decision. However, we believe that both American Airlines and APA entered into the Protocol Agreement fully prepared to defend any legal challenge USAPA may bring, and will succeed at doing so.
 
Today's news further means that our seniority dispute is officially removed from the uncertainty of the federal court system and rightfully placed back into the very forum in which the Nicolau Award was created: labor arbitration. We will no longer need to advocate for our seniority rights with expensive lawsuits that span many years, decided by federal judges constrained by archaic labor laws. We have now returned a forum that will give proper due to the Nicolau Award and that is extremely capable of affirmatively and permanently resolving our dispute.
 
Having said all of the above, it is now more important than ever that we put aside all of this unpleasant history, but still learn and apply its lessons. Perhaps the largest lesson of the past several years is that the seniority integration MUST be resolved in the agreed-to process, and cannot and will not be resolved in cockpits and crew rooms. And although we have to expect that each committee will have widely disparate views about how our respective seniority lists should be integrated, those views should begin and end within that process. There WILL be an integrated airline at the end of this process this time, we will be sharing cockpits with our counterparts, and none of us wants to come to work in a divided, hostile work environment.
Pursuant to the terms of the Protocol Agreement, we will immediately begin efforts to procure employment data from the company and the other merger committees, as well as engage the other committees with regard to preliminary matters.
This is a very proud day for the America West pilots. We simply could not be here today without our unity, and your continuing moral and financial support. We look forward to keeping you updated in the coming weeks.
 
In solidarity,
The America West Merger Committee
David Braid        Mark Burman        Johan de Vicq
Eric Ferguson       Jeff O'Connell       Russ Payne
Jim Van Sickle      Mitch Vasin        Roger Velez
www.cactuspilot.com
Unlike AOL, USAPA is fully funded and you'll have a difficult time getting your money back. You'll also have to overcome the obstacle of the Ninth Circuit. It's going to be a long couple of years. Pyrrhic victory, indeed.....for APA.

This group couldn't be more divided.
 
end_of_alpa said:
Unlike AOL, USAPA is fully funded and you'll have a difficult time getting your money back. You'll also have to overcome the obstacle of the Ninth Circuit. It's going to be a long couple of years. Pyrrhic victory, indeed.....for APA.
 
I know the four guys AOL is going to sue.
 
traderjake said:
 
Can each merger committee submit and argue a method to create a single list?
 
Your fear of an arbitration you can't weasel out of is noted.
You may be begging for DOH before it is all over. I'll be retired!
 
end_of_alpa said:
Unlike AOL, USAPA is fully funded and you'll have a difficult time getting your money back. You'll also have to overcome the obstacle of the Ninth Circuit. It's going to be a long couple of years. Pyrrhic victory, indeed.....for APA.
This group couldn't be more divided.
With seperate ops, the APA 777s and 787s are well protected. Just like the East has protected 330s and the 350 if it comes. The APA is plenty happy.
 
traderjake said:
 
Can each merger committee submit and argue a method to create a single list?
 
Your fear of an arbitration you can't weasel out of is noted.
Welcome back....it's nice to see yet another brain-dead twit comes out of the woodwork to weigh in.
 
They can argue for anything they want: date-of-birth, zip code, alphabetical by middle name.  
 
They can even argue the Nicolau list if they want to be laughed out of the room by the other two committees, as well as by the arbitration panel.
 
Metroyet said:
well if that's all they got, it begs the question as to why USAPA spent millions of dollars to stop the West from getting a voice. Hmmm. I wonder why.
 
Marty asked USAPA to keep the money flowing.  I think he has a few kids and grandkids that need to get through college and grad school, yet.
 
end_of_alpa said:
Unlike AOL, USAPA is fully funded and you'll have a difficult time getting your money back. You'll also have to overcome the obstacle of the Ninth Circuit. It's going to be a long couple of years. Pyrrhic victory, indeed.....for APA.

This group couldn't be more divided.
You're truly an amoral, spiteful, scab piece of Schitt JJ. AOL outlived your failed scab experiment. You lose. Accept it. USAPA is now officially holding stolen funds. We've always known you champion a criminal organization, now it's just that much more obvious.
 
APA INFORMATION HOTLINE

This is APA Communications Director Gregg Overman with the APA Information Hotline for Friday, Jan. 9.

APA BOARD OF DIRECTORS SPECIAL MEETING: The APA board of directors reconvened at APA headquarters at 9 a.m.

The board took the following actions today.

Adopted the following motions:
Withdraw the APA joint collective bargaining agreement proposal presented to the company Jan. 2.
Send AAG's final offer to the APA membership for a ballot vote per the timelines established by the board for such purpose.
Complete the vote on the JCBA process by Jan. 30.
Reschedule the next board meeting to Jan. 30–31.
Voted to approve R2015-02, "Letter G Acceptance Date," which states that "the board directs the APA President to inform the Company that the Association does not recognize January 19, 2015, as the date that a deferred pilot must declare his or her intent to exercise a contractual right." This resolution further states that "the Association recognizes DOS (date of signing) plus 14 days, as the date for a deferred pilot to accept recall and lay claim to any possible LOS improvement that may be awarded in arbitration or granted in largesse by the Company."
The board adjourned its meeting at 6 pm.
 
snapthis said:
January 9, 2015 America West Merger Committee Update

This is a very proud day for the America West pilots...
 
Yes indeed, and the exact calibre and quality of that principled and righteous pride shines through for all to see.
 
Res Judicata Posted Today 2:28 PM:  "Uh-Huh. FK you and Fk your AA "captain buddy" too."
 
Management must be laughing themselves to sleep every single night....
 
A320 Driver said:
Time to move on...they get a committee.
 
I don't personally see why they shouldn't have one. They're a seperate entity with their own interests to represent as they see fit.  Having said that; it's axiomatic that the APA will do their best to disadvantage both the west and east in seniority, and as too often usual in recent years, management will just properly laugh at all the pilots' entirely self-inflicted internecine strife. Such is the sadly natural and fully predictable product of abandoning any actually sane, unionist concepts of how to establish and maintain seniority within any given class and craft.
 
Oh well...So who's got the latest "T-minus" countdown clock(s) for when the Nic will be "crammed down" everybody's "throats"? ;)
 
EastUS1 said:
I don't personally see why they shouldn't have one. They're a seperate entity with their own interests to represent as they see fit.

I see your your point, they want to protect their PHX base and their narrow body flying.
 
luvthe9 said:
I see your your point, they want to protect their PHX base and their narrow body flying.
 
Indeed. A vast empire of that magnitude must necessarily defend it's self. What will be wryly amusing to watch though, is that moment when the first waves of mighty "spartans" figuratively try to come ashore on the APA's beaches, expecting to be warmly welcomed as dearest kin and perhaps even liberators, of course.  One can almost hear their heroic "battle" cry already: Res Judicata Posted Today 2:28 PM:  "Uh-Huh. FK you and Fk your AA "captain buddy" too." ;)
 
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