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Take a breath Claxon. You seem to be in full panic mode. I'll remind you, the merger was in 2005, not 2007. It is clear that by 2007 who benefited and who did not. Watch while we present the Nicolau list during SLI which includes these facts:

"On May 19, 2005, US Airways and America West Airlines
announced that they would merge, taking the name US Airways. Both
pilot groups were represented by the Air Line Pilots Association, which
has a Merger Policy governing the integration of pilot seniority lists."

"Before discussing the aforesaid approaches in greater detail,
some uncontroverted facts and then some recent history. US Airways is
the product of a series of mergers stretching back to 1968. At the time
of the US Air/America West merger, US Airways had a grand total of
5098 pilots on its seniority list, 1691 of which (33%) were on furlough."

"As of the merger, it had 1894 pilots on its
list. All, however, were active and less than 200 had spent time on
furlough and then for relatively short periods during the early and mid-
90s, at which point hiring resumed with 1131 additional pilots added to
the list." The most senior America West pilot was hired on 6/1/83, 17
years after the most senior pilot on the other airline, and America
West's least senior pilot (Odell) was hired on 4/4/05, close to 5 years
after the hiring date of US Airways' least senior furloughee and only a
month before the merger."

2007
"In addition to changes in the number of aircraft since the merger
date, there have also been changes in the number of personnel. At
America West, the total number of pilots including those in non-flying
jobs on January 1, 2007, is 1829, down from the merger date figure of
1894. In contrast, the total active US Airways pilots as of January 1,
2007, including those who have retumed from furlough, is 3005."

"Yet, it cannot be disputed that there were differences in the financial condition of both carriers and that US Airways was the weaker. This necessarily means that career expectations differed and that US Airways pilots had more to gain from the merger than their new colleagues."

"Gains also came in other ways. Though the US Airway pilots
argue that the collective bargaining agreements are comparable, that
is not the case. In pay, the America West Contract is better for
comparable aircraft except for the B757"
 
EastCheats said:
..... You seem to be in full panic mode.
 
While "you'se" seem to spend your whole, pitiful little excuse for a "life" entirely inside Fantasyland and in full wimp mode.....Grow up kid...and try not to "panic" and perhaps accidentally cut yourself too severely on any sharp-edged sheets of paper..."pilot"...
 
"Its time to take a good look in the rear-view mirror. If we had a single contract in place, the NIC would also be in place. Sure, we would probably still have USAPA. But long before the East removed ALPA, we would have been operating under a single contract, with the Nicolau seniority list in place. Next time you go to a training center brown bag lunch, before you go after the company and the East, keep in mind how close we were to a TA prior to the NIC. We did it to ourselves, guys."




We did it to ourselves, guys............READ IT AGAIN AND AGAIN KIDS!!





Face the facts boys the shows over. YOU SCREWED UP!!!!!!
 
luvthe9 said:
Face the facts boys the shows over. YOU SCREWED UP!!!!!!
 
 
Naaah! Just like "You won't even get 200 cards!";  the "nic on steroids" should be here any day now, after all...or soon, for sure anyway...right?
 
One must almost feel properly sorry for these sad little twits.
 
CactusPilot1 said:
I never saw the memo I had to be in full uniform for training. If I did, I would wear my Liberty tie.
No one ever said you do have to be in uniform but a lot of guys do to commute. Jeez you are dense, how the Fck did you get to be a rep? Are you really the best of the west? No wonder you are still in the same seat and the same relative position for going on a decade now. The rate you are going it's going to be another decade stuck in PHX. And guess what, all your precious Hawaii flying is going to be flown out of lax with a 321. More stagnation for you scab losers.
 
FL430 said:
Are you really the best of the west?
 
Hardly. There are some decent folks out there, and even some fully respectable pilots. The pitiful little, wannabe "spartan" punks that post here certainly aren't among them though.
 
As I've noted before; I'd have zero reservations about trusting loved ones to flights commanded by some of their "elder" Captains I've met, but I wouldn't so much as willingly even wipe my shoes off on the vast majority of those I've "met" on these boards. Ya' just gotta' wonder at how some of the punks we see posting here were ever "raised".....
 
EastCheats said:
Take a breath Claxon. You seem to be in full panic mode. I'll remind you, the merger was in 2005, not 2007. It is clear that by 2007 who benefited and who did not. Watch while we present the Nicolau list during SLI which includes these facts:
"On May 19, 2005, US Airways and America West Airlines
announced that they would merge, taking the name US Airways. Both
pilot groups were represented by the Air Line Pilots Association, which
has a Merger Policy governing the integration of pilot seniority lists."
"Before discussing the aforesaid approaches in greater detail,
some uncontroverted facts and then some recent history. US Airways is
the product of a series of mergers stretching back to 1968. At the time
of the US Air/America West merger, US Airways had a grand total of
5098 pilots on its seniority list, 1691 of which (33%) were on furlough."
"As of the merger, it had 1894 pilots on its
list. All, however, were active and less than 200 had spent time on
furlough and then for relatively short periods during the early and mid-
90s, at which point hiring resumed with 1131 additional pilots added to
the list." The most senior America West pilot was hired on 6/1/83, 17
years after the most senior pilot on the other airline, and America
West's least senior pilot (Odell) was hired on 4/4/05, close to 5 years
after the hiring date of US Airways' least senior furloughee and only a
month before the merger."
2007
"In addition to changes in the number of aircraft since the merger
date, there have also been changes in the number of personnel. At
America West, the total number of pilots including those in non-flying
jobs on January 1, 2007, is 1829, down from the merger date figure of
1894. In contrast, the total active US Airways pilots as of January 1,
2007, including those who have retumed from furlough, is 3005."
"Yet, it cannot be disputed that there were differences in the financial condition of both carriers and that US Airways was the weaker. This necessarily means that career expectations differed and that US Airways pilots had more to gain from the merger than their new colleagues."
"Gains also came in other ways. Though the US Airway pilots
argue that the collective bargaining agreements are comparable, that
is not the case. In pay, the America West Contract is better for
comparable aircraft except for the B757"
You continue to reference the deal you missed. You signed the MOU which specifically did not include the NIC. The reality is that the merger is AA, east and west pilots. Do not even try to include east pilots with your west now. You have no Nic and no WIDEBODY aircraft. That, is your reality.
I gave you many letters proving why you have no Nic. You quote overturned rulings and an arbitration award contingent on an east- west JCBA which never happened.
 
FL430 said:
No one ever said you do have to be in uniform but a lot of guys do to commute. Jeez you are dense, how the Fck did you get to be a rep? Are you really the best of the west? No wonder you are still in the same seat and the same relative position for going on a decade now. The rate you are going it's going to be another decade stuck in PHX. And guess what, all your precious Hawaii flying is going to be flown out of lax with a 321. More stagnation for you scab losers.
AA is going to build LAX quickly and will use it as the Hawaii gateway. You are correct.
David Simmons has let his constituency down with his poor grasp of the position this AA merger has put PHX pilots in.
 
Andrew Nocella: “When you take that and combine it with high fuel prices, Las Vegas has become extremely unprofitable for US Airways and would remain unprofitable indefinitely at its current size... / “US Airways dropped those flights because they couldn’t make any money on them,” said aviation consultant Mike Boyd of Evergreen, Colo.-based Boyd Group International. “I don’t see it as a deathblow (for Las Vegas). But the days of America West are over.

“Las Vegas has always been a low-fare leisure market but now the fares are considerably lower because of
falling demand, said Andrew Nocella, senior vice president of marketing and planning for US Airways in the
company’s employee newsletter. “When you take that and combine it with high fuel prices, Las Vegas has
become extremely unprofitable for US Airways and would remain unprofitable indefinitely at its current size.
“Reducing service at Las Vegas was a very difficult decision,” Nocella said, “but the right one to make in this
environment. We need to do all we can to return US Airways to profitability and that requires eliminating
unprofitable flying.”
 
"Crew News meeting in PHX on 2/06/07 As CEO Parker told a three-year AW pilot complaining about AW's post-merger "stagnation" If we didn't do the merger with US Airways, you'd be in a lot worse position. Frankly, I think as a 3 [year] F/O, you wouldn't have a job"


WHO SAVED DAVE? THE EAST!



Do you get it now EastCheats, your lucky to be here.



We hear PHX might be getting some bad news in the future.



The pilots of AWA should file suit against AOL for fraud and misrepresentation, AOL has really hurt the future of west pilots.
 
luvthe9 said:
Andrew Nocella: When you take that and combine it with high fuel prices, Las Vegas has become extremely unprofitable for US Airways and would remain unprofitable indefinitely at its current size... / US Airways dropped those flights because they couldnt make any money on them, said aviation consultant Mike Boyd of Evergreen, Colo.-based Boyd Group International. I dont see it as a deathblow (for Las Vegas). But the days of America West are over.
Las Vegas has always been a low-fare leisure market but now the fares are considerably lower because of
falling demand, said Andrew Nocella, senior vice president of marketing and planning for US Airways in the
companys employee newsletter. When you take that and combine it with high fuel prices, Las Vegas has
become extremely unprofitable for US Airways and would remain unprofitable indefinitely at its current size.
Reducing service at Las Vegas was a very difficult decision, Nocella said, but the right one to make in this
environment. We need to do all we can to return US Airways to profitability and that requires eliminating
unprofitable flying.
I guess closing LGA and PIT served to help the bottom line as well.
 
THIS SUMS IT ALL UP FOR OUR WEST FRIENDS! YOU WESTIES NEED TO KEEP READING THIS OVER AND OVER TILL IT. SINKS IN?





“In the US Airways – America West case, it went to binding arbitration but there was a requirement as part of that that the two unions negotiate a joint contract with the company, which wasn’t done yet.

And because it wasn’t done yet, the side that didn’t like it could prevent a joint contract from getting done. And because of that, the seniority integration never happened."

Scott Kirby
 
luvthe9 said:
"Crew News meeting in PHX on 2/06/07 As CEO Parker told a three-year AW pilot complaining about AW's post-merger "stagnation" If we didn't do the merger with US Airways, you'd be in a lot worse position. Frankly, I think as a 3 [year] F/O, you wouldn't have a job"
WHO SAVED DAVE? THE EAST!
Do you get it now EastCheats, your lucky to be here.
We hear PHX might be getting some bad news in the future.
The pilots of AWA should file suit against AOL for fraud and misrepresentation, AOL has really hurt the future of west pilots.
All very true. In fact, the crew news session it was that dimwit David Braid that asked a question regarding " when am I going to see benefits of this merger?" Doug promptly told him "he continues to have a job because of the merger!"
 
luvthe9 said:
"Crew News meeting in PHX on 2/06/07 As CEO Parker told a three-year AW pilot complaining about AW's post-merger "stagnation" If we didn't do the merger with US Airways, you'd be in a lot worse position. Frankly, I think as a 3 [year] F/O, you wouldn't have a job"
Do you get it now EastCheats, your lucky to be here.
I see the propaganda machine and Claxon's minions are working overtime.

Luv, if you are going to be a good minion...


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"Your lucky to be here"..hmmm

You're missing an apostrophe.

:lol:
 
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