2015 Fleet Service Discussion

[Kev3188]

Ironic, isn't it?

 

[737823]

And you support outsourcing small and medium stations thinking the large stations will get better pay and benefits. This action is right down you alley

My AA agents in MIA shouldn't give up pay and benefits just so Express stations like Myrtle Beach or Sarasota remain staffed.

Josh

 

[700UW]

Hey do you have a brain?

They don't staff an express only station with mainline and no one at the new AA will be taking pay cuts .

 

[737823]

Hey do you have a brain?
They don't staff an express only station with mainline and no one at the new AA will be taking pay cuts .

CWA does Eula Smith says it herself here on YouTube:

Josh

 

[700UW]

Are you that dense?

Every JCBA has gotten the new AA employees better pay, scope and benefits

Proof is in the pudding. No one took cuts with the HP/US merger.

Your just a fecal stirrer.

 

[robbedagain]

if the cwa is that bad as you say  then why did they keep all the PMUS cities mainline???   even around the HP/US merger the CWA managed to keep all PMUS cities plus they get PS and other benes... 

 

[737823]

Are you that dense?
Every JCBA has gotten the new AA employees better pay, scope and benefits
Proof is in the pudding. No one took cuts with the HP/US merger.
Your just a fecal stirrer.

Guess you didn't watch and hear her say that her twin sister works in Myrtle Beach which she states has no mainline service and because of the CWA contract she makes the same as Eula makes at the CLT hub.

Josh

 

[NYer]

Actually, I see a different metric at play here....Both UA and CO had filed for BK....CO twice over the years.....Then they merged....Yet all these "synergies" that were touted to creditors and BK a judge didn't seem to pan out as first believed. BK's are mainly to screw workers and get debt relief....Mergers are "alleged" to be good for both passenger and worker....Well, that's just the teaser like a trailer for some some movie about to be released.
Not many a merger DID not result in job cuts somewhere...UA's latest move proves it. they are complaining about not being cost competitive at these stations they intend to outsource.....I guess BK didn't cause enough pain and suffering on the employees..
As  for the AA/US merger.....time will tell what the future holds.

 
It's a copy cat industry. Corporations today are stuck in a cycle of boom and bust for the sake or share price and stockholder returns. During the boom they hire and expand and if they don't get the returns they expect, they start to cut and downsize. It used to be that these cycles were trigger by profits or losses, now they're triggered by "expected returns" and "market valuations."
 
UA and the other airlines were unprofitable, they went into BK shed debt and costs, they merged to cut capacity and over saturation. Now UA is portrayed as sick entity while making a $1B profit last quarter. Bloomberg puts it like this, "The airline has been trying since late 2013 to cut $2 billion from its annual costs through fuel savings, workforce reductions and other measures. The Chicago-based carrier reported $37 billion in operating expenses for 2013, giving it one of the lowest profit margins among peers." 
 
So, it is no longer enough be to profitable but now you have to maintain a certain artificial level of profit margin set from outside forces and that means cuts need to be made because it is not about profits anymore, it about how much profits the Market believes you should have.
 
Read some of the reports on companies that report profits but their stock price goes down since they didn't meet expectations. It is ridiculous.

 

[NYer]

 

It's up to all of you to make sure you have a strong team at the table that not only knows what's important to the membership, but is also willing to push for it.

I know that sounds obvious, but all we have to do is look at what the UAL NC did to know it's not something that can be counted on as automatic...

 
I don't know what you mean by "all of you," but it seems putting a strong team together is not a priority since two months after the IAM announced their negotiating committee members the TWU has yet to make such an announcement.
 
Does that mean the two sides have not been meeting, as some suggest? Seems like it.

 

[Kev3188]

"All of you" = the rank and file rampers at lAA & lUS.

If you're those that are in office aren't getting it done, get them out.

Take back your union(s) already; they work for you, not the other way around.

 

[NYer]

"All of you" = the rank and file rampers at lAA & lUS.

If you're those that are in office aren't getting it done, get them out.

Take back your union(s) already; they work for you, not the other way around.

 
Yeah, well.
 
The job of the leadership is to give us all the information and education necessary to make the proper decisions. There are thousands and thousands of Members and if most are not up to date with the current events, then we will ultimately make mistakes with our votes.
 
We're in the middle of that now. At every level of leadership there were changes made and for the most part, it seems we're in a worst spot than before the changes. It doesn't seem the memberships are up to date with the expectations of what is achievable now and what is a longer term goal.
 
An uneducated membership will make an uneducated vote.

 

[700UW]

Guess you didn't watch and hear her say that her twin sister works in Myrtle Beach which she states has no mainline service and because of the CWA contract she makes the same as Eula makes at the CLT hub.

Josh

Bless Yer Heart.
 
And a ticket or gate agent, working a mainline or Express Flight does the same job.
 
And AA is not proposing pay and benefit cuts for the CWA represented employees.
 
So you are just a liar, dishonest, and misrepresenting  yourself to the board.
 
Everyone doing the same job, if you work in CLT, GSP, or MYR should and does get the same pay.

 

[737823]

Bless Yer Heart.
 
And a ticket or gate agent, working a mainline or Express Flight does the same job.
 
And AA is not proposing pay and benefit cuts for the CWA represented employees.
 
So you are just a liar, dishonest, and misrepresenting  yourself to the board.
 
Everyone doing the same job, if you work in CLT, GSP, or MYR should and does get the same pay.

So we agree the MIA hub employees get more, great.

Josh

 

[700UW]

So we agree the MIA hub employees get more, great.

Josh

Bless Yer Heart again.
 
Nope, I never stated that, so why are you lying again?
 
Everyone doing the same job at a PMUS/PMAA should get the same pay rates working under the same contract.
 
So ever going to answer the questions or will you keep up the lies, misinformation and misrepresenting who you really are and what is your real agenda?

 

[737823]

First you state mainline doesn't staff express only stations (which is false):

Hey do you have a brain?
They don't staff an express only station with mainline and no one at the new AA will be taking pay cuts .

  

And then you state everyone should get the same pay for doing the same job:

Bless Yer Heart again.
 
Nope, I never stated that, so why are you lying again?
 
Everyone doing the same job at a PMUS/PMAA should get the same pay rates working under the same contract.
 
So ever going to answer the questions or will you keep up the lies, misinformation and misrepresenting who you really are and what is your real agenda?

So which is it?

Josh