2015 AMT Discussion

[Buck]

http://www.twu.org/Portals/0/TWU-IAM-Joint-Council.pdf
 

Thanks for posting that link: As I read through it again all it does is prove the points the anti-ASSociation employees that post here.
 
Since the negotiations could take years, I guess we could take each item one at a time.....
 
I just don't see why you like being proven wrong.
 
"The Association hereby designates"  really?

 

[Buck]

Huh? What? Again.

It would seem that there are two different ASSociation Agreements, one for Fleet and one for Maintenance, read the link you posted....

 

[WeAAsles]

Thanks for posting that link: As I read through it again all it does is prove the points the anti-ASSociation employees that post here.
 
Since the negotiations could take years, I guess we could take each item one at a time.....
 
I just don't see why you like being proven wrong.
 
"The Association hereby designates"  really?

What am I being proven wrong about if I posted a link for YOU to read yourself. If you can read and understand maintenance manuals I knew I wouldn't have to explain the agreements to you.

 

[WeAAsles]

It would seem that there are two different ASSociation Agreements, one for Fleet and one for Maintenance, read the link you posted....

Sorry. I thought you were talking about ice cream parlors.

 

[Buck]

 
Fair Market Value v. Fair Value: What’s the difference and why it matters
Let’s say you need to come up with a value for something – a company, a hard asset, intellectual property, shares of stock. The measure is often Fair Market Value or Fair Value – two terms that get treated as if they are identical. Except Fair Market Value and Fair Value are not identical and their differences matters. So, let’s answer the question:

http://www.profitand...why-it-matters/
 
 

 
Your Link only defines two different terms that appear to be the same. I have posted many times the parameters of the 2012 Credit Suisse report which defines these terms. As you and 700 struggle to gain a pro IAMPF  following you appear to be grabbing titles from your research with little or no foundation. 
 
Fair Market Value v. Fair Value
 

Market Value
The market value of a given asset is relatively easy to determine. If your plan owns 1,000 shares of ABC Widgets and that company closed at $5 today, the market value of those holdings is $5,000. The market value is an important number for several reasons. If your plan sells some stocks to take a profit, that's how they're valued for taxation purposes. It also provides the plan's administrators with a periodic "You Are Here," helping track the growth of the plan's portfolio. However, a plan's portfolio has the sole purpose of funding its pension obligations. Knowing whether you're on track involves some more complicated math.

 
you are failing to answer the question concerning 
 
Actuarial Value
 
It's not enough to know the value of the fund's assets today or tomorrow. Plan administrators need to know what the value will be when the assets are needed, which is more difficult to determine. The assets in your plan's portfolio will fluctuate in value from one day to the next, so the administrators must calculate what's called "actuarial value," which is an average value for the assets, over a given period of time. These values are calculated by specialists called actuaries, skilled in analyzing statistical data. They review this actuarial value to determine whether it will meet the plan's future obligations.

 

[700UW]

http://www.nmb.gov/services/representation/

 

[WeAAsles]

Your Link only defines two different terms that appear to be the same. I have posted many times the parameters of the 2012 Credit Suisse report which defines these terms. As you and 700 struggle to gain a pro IAMPF  following you appear to be grabbing titles from your research with little or no foundation. 
 
Fair Market Value v. Fair Value
 

Market Value
The market value of a given asset is relatively easy to determine. If your plan owns 1,000 shares of ABC Widgets and that company closed at $5 today, the market value of those holdings is $5,000. The market value is an important number for several reasons. If your plan sells some stocks to take a profit, that's how they're valued for taxation purposes. It also provides the plan's administrators with a periodic "You Are Here," helping track the growth of the plan's portfolio. However, a plan's portfolio has the sole purpose of funding its pension obligations. Knowing whether you're on track involves some more complicated math.

 
you are failing to answer the question concerning 
 
Actuarial Value
 
It's not enough to know the value of the fund's assets today or tomorrow. Plan administrators need to know what the value will be when the assets are needed, which is more difficult to determine. The assets in your plan's portfolio will fluctuate in value from one day to the next, so the administrators must calculate what's called "actuarial value," which is an average value for the assets, over a given period of time. These values are calculated by specialists called actuaries, skilled in analyzing statistical data. They review this actuarial value to determine whether it will meet the plan's future obligations.

Where did I say that I was pro IAMPF? What is wrong with you?

See you want to believe things so badly that you don't even read. God man, seriously.

 

[Buck]

Sorry. I thought you were talking about ice cream parlors.

It's no wonder why maintenance tires of your position. You and 700 cannot help but be rude and when we as the users point it out one or both of you call foul.

 

[Buck]

Where did I say that I was pro IAMPF? What is wrong with you?

See you want to believe things so badly that you don't even read. God man, seriously.

Are you not? 
 
Why not?

 

[Buck]

What am I being proven wrong about if I posted a link for YOU to read yourself. If you can read and understand maintenance manuals I knew I wouldn't have to explain the agreements to you.

Does the ASSociation have any authority over the unions? No just over the memberships.....
 
Until you can answer the voting on the ASSOciation no one will believe anything you say.
 
Who gives the ASSociation the right to govern?

 

[700UW]

It's no wonder why maintenance tires of your position. You and 700 cannot help but be rude and when we as the users point it out one or both of you call foul.

You don't play the victim card well at all.

 

[WeAAsles]

It's no wonder why maintenance tires of your position. You and 700 cannot help but be rude and when we as the users point it out one or both of you call foul.

No I meant it. I thought you were being a smartass.

 

[WeAAsles]

Are you not? 
 
Why not?

I'm not repeating myself a million times. I've stated my opinion multiple times already.

If you're not going to read what I write anyway, stop asking things.

 

[WeAAsles]

Does the ASSociation have any authority over the unions? No just over the memberships.....
 
Until you can answer the voting on the ASSOciation no one will believe anything you say.
 
Who gives the ASSociation the right to govern?

The NMB. The "Ultimate Governing Authority" And I already posted that as well.

 

[WeAAsles]

You don't play the victim card well at all.

Yea. Like they're all candy floss and toffee apples. SMH.