2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[robbedagain]

how can 2 hubs get OT for the ILearning when the tests should be done within that time frame?  Its pretty dam sad they assign ot to cover folks who shld be doing the tests during down time     As much as I hate those tests  I get mine done as soon as its in

 

[ograc]

how can 2 hubs get OT for the ILearning when the tests should be done within that time frame?  Its pretty dam sad they assign ot to cover folks who shld be doing the tests during down time     As much as I hate those tests  I get mine done as soon as its in

 
With the impending merger and subsequent transition; there has been a significant increase in mandatory electronic training. It's gotten to the point where completing this training during down time is unachievable. With that being said; OT should be assigned if the company wants this electronic training completed by set deadlines. Inconsistent application of policies and OT practices, from one station to another, has historically been the case. Although the company will deny such an accusation... we know it to be the truth. My station is about to insource the former vendor work at AA. Before we can touch their metal every ramp agent must complete 20 AA electronic training courses. I believe Lead agents must complete 25. I don't know about your station Robbed, but in mine, we don't have that kind of down time throughout the day. OT to complete electronic training goals related to the merger? So be it! System wide consistency of applying policies and OT practices? Has not and will probably never happen. 
 

 

[robbedagain]

in my station typically we have a CLT flight  about every 1hr and half  give or take  and a commuter flight at the same time or about    however that will be changing come DEC 7th when we take over doing AA metal.   from my understanding in my station Orgac AA has added or will added 1 or 2 additional flights  believe to be MIA and DFW    Our Leads also got APU/Brake riding training this past week due to the fact we will have to repo btwn 3 and 5 planes depending on the schedule thru the end of the yr..

 

[Black Magic]

But according to the company you should be doing your Ilearning at home on wings if you don't have time at work.  Haha whatever.  The amount of courses constantly uploaded is ridiculous and imo is nothing more than the company trying to set the employees up on a performance level for not getting it completed.

 

[Kev3188]

Everyone owes it to themselves, their coworkers, and the flying public to take these classes seriously. If you can't get 'em done on your shift, ask (or politely insist) that you be taken off the skd. to complete it. Better yet, ask them to pick the date/time that works best...If your mgr. Wants to argue against it, make sure to get it all in writing.

 

[Harry Callahan]

This I learning is another of many reasons I'm happy to be retired. Best wishes and luck.
 
Harry

 

[Black Magic]

Back before all this computer based learning.  You showed up in the classroom once or twice a year for an hour.  Watched the slideshow/speech and signed your name on the sheet.  Done and on your way. 

 

[robbedagain]

kev  I agree w you bro.    blackMagic  while most of us have a computer at home  I for one refuse to do any work related crap at home    Ill do mine at work in btwn flights

 

[cltrat]

me and a bottle of Jack do them at home no hurries no rush.
 
btw if there as been any ot  for I learning at CLT I have not seen an example of it.

 

[ograc]

My station is insourcing the below wing, former envoy work, November 10. Local management has authorized OT coverage to allow employees the opportunity to keep up with the increased electronic training requirements. Had an employee today who sat at the computer for 5 hours completing the required electronic training. We have been told this training must be completed before we touch AA metal. Although, I fully understand and appreciate the need to have everyone trained, I don't understand how this can be accomplished without consideration of OT. There is only so much down time between flights. There are limited company computers to access. An employee is not contractually obligated to complete training from home. Many do not have this ability. Could it be, the company is setting unachievable goals and timelines, in their quest for single carrier status? Their anxiousness to return profit to the shareholders kind of reminds me of a hormone driven agenda on prom night! Disturbing and should be duly noted by all.   

 

[Kev3188]

Had an employee today who sat at the computer for 5 hours completing the required electronic training. We have been told this training must be completed before we touch AA metal.

So be it.

If it's a company mandate, then I see no reason why employees shouldn't expect to be given the proper time to accomplish it. If any given station can't (or won't) make that happen, then there needs to be a discussion about why employees are being set up to fail.

 

[T5towbar]

So be it.

If it's a company mandate, then I see no reason why employees shouldn't expect to be given the proper time to accomplish it. If any given station can't (or won't) make that happen, then there needs to be a discussion about why employees are being set up to fail.

If it is a company mandate (which leads to a performance issue) then the company MUST provide the time during the workday to complete any training. We have monthly training modules which must be completed in 30 calendar days. Otherwise it can be a issue which can lead to possible termination. So access is made via computer lab (training rooms) and during downtime (I work the PM shift), or later before going home. We can't do our training at home because of local server access, so the company makes available all of the effort and tools that we can complete it in a timely manner. It is on YOU if you can't complete the monthly training in a timely manner.  In your case, since you have multiple lessons, then all effort must be made (even if overtime is offered / or come in for 4 hours on your day off and get paid for the 8 at time and a half) to get it done.

 

[Kev3188]

^This^

 

[Solidarity]

My station is insourcing the below wing, former envoy work, November 10. Local management has authorized OT coverage to allow employees the opportunity to keep up with the increased electronic training requirements. Had an employee today who sat at the computer for 5 hours completing the required electronic training. We have been told this training must be completed before we touch AA metal. Although, I fully understand and appreciate the need to have everyone trained, I don't understand how this can be accomplished without consideration of OT. There is only so much down time between flights. There are limited company computers to access. An employee is not contractually obligated to complete training from home. Many do not have this ability. Could it be, the company is setting unachievable goals and timelines, in their quest for single carrier status? Their anxiousness to return profit to the shareholders kind of reminds me of a hormone driven agenda on prom night! Disturbing and should be duly noted by all.

From what I was told, the director of the customer service department, DP, sent an e-mail to ALL station management and instructed them to authorize OT to accomplish the I-Learning/Learning Path issues. Local management is trying to be stingy with their OT, but a mandate has been given.

Go into local management with people who need the time to finish their computer based training and address with the station managers and supervisors. Also, make sure that people who are being pulled off the line are covered so that co-workers are not short-handed in turning aircraft.

 

[Harry Callahan]

Just talked to one of my former co workers & he advised CLT is paying over time for the 3 hr. DG test.
 
Harry