Would They Listen?

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Dec 29, 2003
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The next time, if warranted or not, that the Company comes to the workers, regardless of which union represents, for concessions, would the Company listen to and entertain a program that would save them hundreds of millions?

Yes, that was a long sentence, but a viable question. I have been enlightened of a program that could save the Company, any company, a large sum, depending upon the number of employees, and that company's willingness to investigate the program. This program is patented and proven.

Would the company listen instead of requesting more concessions from it's workers? I will prepare a webpage, in the future, for both the union and the company to use for their research. This should be interesting. I do know it has been presented to the IAM and they set it aside. It WILL need to be looked at by PROFESSIONAL auditors and tax attorneys, not local H&R workers.
 
seed said:
The next time, if warranted or not, that the Company comes to the workers, regardless of which union represents, for concessions, would the Company listen to and entertain a program that would save them hundreds of millions?

Yes, that was a long sentence, but a viable question. I have been enlightened of a program that could save the Company, any company, a large sum, depending upon the number of employees, and that company's willingness to investigate the program. This program is patented and proven.

Would the company listen instead of requesting more concessions from it's workers? I will prepare a webpage, in the future, for both the union and the company to use for their research. This should be interesting. I do know it has been presented to the IAM and they set it aside. It WILL need to be looked at by PROFESSIONAL auditors and tax attorneys, not local H&R workers.
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They will take their concessions and then implement the program to save additional millions.

Why take either or?

Right now they get both!
 
seed said:
I will prepare a webpage, in the future, for both the union and the company to use for their research.
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Why wait? Send it in via the cost savings link on Jetnet and we'll put it in front of the tax department within a couple of weeks. The sooner we start saving more money, the more cash we will have, and the less need there will be for concessions (if any) in the future.
 
Connected1 said:
Why wait? Send it in via the cost savings link on Jetnet and we'll put it in front of the tax department within a couple of weeks. The sooner we start saving more money, the more cash we will have, and the less need there will be for concessions (if any) in the future.
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Why should he? At one time the company used to give employees something for their input. What has that gotten them so far? Lets see, AA has tripled in size, become the largest airline in the world and they make less in real dollars than ever before. They no longer get paid holidays, lost vacation time, sick time, double time, uniform cleaning, and a list of other things. If anything he should send the info over to SWA and hope that with the information they expand to the point where they can put AA out of business then hire him, at least then he can look forward to working for a company that will pay him well and make a profit. If he gives it to AA then they will use it, find some way to lose money anyway then still try and make him work for even less.
 
And at one time, gas used to be $0.05 a gallon and you vould get candy for a penny. That time is past. Catch up with the times or move out of the way.
 
Bob Owens said:
Why should he?
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To avoid concessions. You're not going to get credit for ideas that you hold back as leverage in negotiations. You may, however, be able to improve the company's financial position by sharing the idea now and thereby avoid the need for concessions in the future.

The best way to avoid concessions is to avoid a situation that requires them.
 
Bob Owens said:
Why should he? At one time the company used to give employees something for their input. What has that gotten them so far? Lets see, AA has tripled in size, become the largest airline in the world and they make less in real dollars than ever before. They no longer get paid holidays, lost vacation time, sick time, double time, uniform cleaning, and a list of other things. If anything he should send the info over to SWA and hope that with the information they expand to the point where they can put AA out of business then hire him, at least then he can look forward to working for a company that will pay him well and make a profit. If he gives it to AA then they will use it, find some way to lose money anyway then still try and make him work for even less.
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Bob has your anger twisted you to the point that you want to see AA go under? If that were to happen who do you would pay price? The rank and file who would see years of service go down the tubes. Their pensions slashed in half, if they are lucky. Retiree medical benefits, gone. Then of course there's the fact that they are unemployed along with tens of thousands of other AA employees. And guess what, SWA will not be able to hire them all. Probably only a small portion.

Since you seem to want AA to be more like SWA lets examine that issue. First of all AA could stand to take a few lessons about employee/management relations from SWA. However if AA were to follow in SWA's footsteps that would mean basically dumping most of their heavy maintenance. Now I'm guessing you work at a line station. While I might not affect you direclty it will affect the thousands laid off at TUL, AFW and MCI. Then you have to factor in that a lot of those individuals will have bumping rights. And where will they go? Low senority stations like LAX, SFO, SJC, ORD, JKF/LGA. Now if you have enough senority to stay then all I have to say is good for you. Must be nice.
 

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