Work Rules...

[Dont call me Shirley]

Part of "the Plan" is aid to involve work rule change. I was also told by a senior US Airways official recently that for station employees, the company was not looking at W-2 changes, but at work rules. He also said that the reason NW, among others, has lower CASMs is "work rules".

OK, fair enough! Does anyone have a clue or WAG (wild arsed guess) as who what work rules need to change and how?

Let's have a reasonable discussion, everyone. Please.

For the sake of argument, let us stipulate (at leat for this discussion) that any productivity gains from these changes would serve to add flying, not in more layoffs!

 

[Kev3188]

One of the things NW has is the "4 hour rule." If any line station during a given 8 hour period, has less than four hours of work (using a formula for both turn flights and originators), then CSA's do both Agent and ramp work. Airlink flights do not count towards the 4 hour rule. As an example, both ABE and MDT are under this category for NW. I'm not sure how this would work with U's CBA's and classifications, but the important thing to remember here is that it's not just efficient, but that it is mainline employees at mainline wages!

 

[Light Years]

Bring down the "Berlin wall"- the fencing of transatlantic flights for flight attendants.

 

[28yearsnojob]

THey will psa or mda or peidmont all these med and small cities
all there problems are gone

 

[Colby]

Bring down the "Berlin wall"- the fencing of transatlantic flights for flight attendants.

Im assuming you mean do like every other Airline and have ALL Flight Attendants do both Domestic and Trans Atlantic !!!

Hey, bet those 30 Year F/A's would LOVE that !!!!!!!! No more 3 Trips a Month Option.

And lets add one more... (I don't remember who does this) Fly Reserve one Month and Hold A Block one Month...

 

[Light Years]

Rotating reserve. I believe AA does that. Yes please!

 

[ITRADE]

Three words -

Receive and Dispatch.

 

[mwereplanes]

Here's one: Lets change the work rules of U's management so they are forced to operate the airline profitably. You know, like CAL just did for the latest quarter. Lets change the rule that does not hold them accountable for having a poor, unworkable plan that had no foresight. Lets make U's management more productive. You know, productive as in making a profit for this company. If CAL can do it why can't U? Does anyone out there truly believe their employees are that much more productive than US Airway's employees? I know who is more productive at CAL. Their management. Why do you U employees ASSUME you are less productive than the employees of other legacy carriers? It's easy to see your management is less productive.

 

[jimntx]

Rotating reserve. I believe AA does that. Yes please!

Yes, AA has rotating reserve. But, it is one/on, one/off only for the first 3 years. After 3 years, you go to a one/on, 3/off reserve rotation until you get sufficient seniority to be off reserve completely. It varies by base. Up until recently, if you were based at LGA, you usually cleared reserves completely in 3-5 years. At DFW domestic, when I started flying in SEP2000, reserve went up to 17 years! I understand it's about 13 years at DFW right now.

 

[Dont call me Shirley]

One of the things NW has is the "4 hour rule." If any line station during a given 8 hour period, has less than four hours of work (using a formula for both turn flights and originators), then CSA's do both Agent and ramp work. ......I'm not sure how this would work with U's CBA's and classifications, but the important thing to remember here is that it's not just efficient, but that it is mainline employees at mainline wages!

U's existing[] contracts allow for cross utilization in smaller stations!
(Not that there are very many of those left anymore Up to 25% of staff hours can be used this way. Of course the company has not chosen to actually implement this. Probably one of thos e"big picture" reasons.

 

[ClueByFour]

Three words -

Receive and Dispatch.

I thought they did that in the round of concessions (to some degree or another).

 

[cavalier]

Three words -

Receive and Dispatch.

You're stuck on that like a broken record. It's been explained to you before...out stations do it already and the rest doesn't amount to a hills of beans in costs savings.

 

[Kev3188]

Don't call me Shirley--

What I was suggesting with NW's policy was to eliminate that confusing 25% matrix, and simplify things across the board. I know that Fleet and CSA are in different unions at U (they're both IAM at NW, though covered under separate books), but this might be a way to acheive productivity enhancements while avoiding the "Mainline Express" plague.

 

[ITRADE]

Three words -

Receive and Dispatch.

You're stuck on that like a broken record. It's been explained to you before...out stations do it already and the rest doesn't amount to a hills of beans in costs savings.

Ah, yes, you raise that fallacious argument every time.

The simple fact of the matter is that mechanics do pushback/receipt at six airports - BOS, LGA, PHL, DCA, CLT, and PIT.

This means that EVERY SINGLE MAINLINE USAIRWAYS FLIGHT suffers from an inefficiency that is reminiscent of the railroads of the 1930s.

You've got a $25.00 an hour mechanic waving a wand, wasting extremely valuable time and money when somebody from the groud services could easily do the job.

If there is waste, this is it.

And you cannot rebut that fact.

 

[cavalier]

Three words -

Receive and Dispatch.

You're stuck on that like a broken record. It's been explained to you before...out stations do it already and the rest doesn't amount to a hills of beans in costs savings.

Ah, yes, you raise that fallacious argument every time.

The simple fact of the matter is that mechanics do pushback/receipt at six airports - BOS, LGA, PHL, DCA, CLT, and PIT.

This means that EVERY SINGLE MAINLINE USAIRWAYS FLIGHT suffers from an inefficiency that is reminiscent of the railroads of the 1930s.

You've got a $25.00 an hour mechanic waving a wand, wasting extremely valuable time and money when somebody from the groud services could easily do the job.

If there is waste, this is it.

And you cannot rebut that fact.

YES I can!

Let the others do it then. That way the mechanic can go sit down and watch them do it while they are BOTH getting paid