WOLFOWITZ to QUIT by 6/30 !

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

Rumsfeld(sec. Defense)...NORTON(sec. Interior)..POWELL(sec. state)..LIBBY(an affeminate TURD)..ABRAMOFF(a hustler)..WOLFOWITZ(world bank)..GONZALES(Attorney General)(ANY DAY NOW)..ROVE(RELATIVELY SOON !!).

That will only leave...BIG "DICK" left as the Last RAT off the USS CAIN(like in MUTINY) !!!!

(Capt.)EL CHIMPO will have (ANOTHER) bewildered look on his BANANA eatin' mug, wondering where everybody has gone.

NH/BB's

Well at least he'll have "AUNT TOM" still on board.

 

[delldude]

Well at least he'll have "AUNT TOM" still on board

Wow....didn't realize you are a racist leftist

A more offensive term with the same meaning is house ****** (as contrasted with field workers from the days of slavery). In 2002, actor/singer Harry Belafonte used a variation of the term, White House ******, to characterize former Secretary of State Colin Powell and former National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice.

 

[UAL_TECH]

Anyone who votes strictly a 'party' line is and ID-10T.
Both sides are screwing us and a 'DEM' will not make a 'DAM' difference.

Been there - done that - but they stole my T-shirt.

B) UT

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

Anyone who votes strictly a 'party' line is and ID-10T.
Both sides are screwing us and a 'DEM' will not make a 'DAM' difference.

Been there - done that - but they stole my T-shirt.

B) UT

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Well............Not so fast there UAL Tech !

I enjoy your rational...I really do, but let me propose a hypothetical scenario to you.

Lets say that on 1/20/09, the congress is still controlled by the dems.

NOW, lets revert back to the first tuesday in NOV/08.

I'm in the voting booth, and I can vote for either John Edwards, or Fred Thompson for Prez.

I really do like Thompson, as a person, BUT I honestly feel that John Edwards would be more helpful to a "working stiff"

I'd be afraid that FT might continue the current state, of "disappearing MIDDLE CLASS", whereas with JE, i feel "we" have a better shot of the MC returning

Your thoughts.

NH/BB's

 

[UAL_TECH]

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Well............Not so fast there UAL Tech !

I enjoy your rational...I really do, but let me propose a hypothetical scenario to you.

Lets say that on 1/20/09, the congress is still controlled by the dems.

NOW, lets revert back to the first tuesday in NOV/08.

I'm in the voting booth, and I can vote for either John Edwards, or Fred Thompson for Prez.

I really do like Thompson, as a person, BUT I honestly feel that John Edwards would be more helpful to a "working stiff"

I'd be afraid that FT might continue the current state, of "disappearing MIDDLE CLASS", whereas with JE, i feel "we" have a better shot of the MC returning

Your thoughts.

NH/BB's

NH/BB’s,
Thanks, and I respect your comments as well but your ‘hypothetical’ doesn’t encompass all aspects. I would look at their historical record and see if what they are saying ‘to get my vote’ matches their record. But I may be jaded as ‘most’ (if not all) of our elected officials have stated one thing in their electoral platform and have never followed through with their ‘promise’. All without recompense.

Simply put, I have to balance their records and platforms with my values.

For example: If one were weaker on labor issues but strong against illegal immigration, I’d pick the individual that would protect our borders as it will lead to stronger labor support in US for the long run.

JMHO: (If you haven’t noticed) ALL unions are supporting illegal immigration and amnesty. Why is that? :wacko:

This is a very short reply to a complex question. I hope you understand ‘all’ the issues involved and do not feel that you are being cut short, but there is no ‘simple’ answer unless you get your DEM or REPUB cue card and vote a party line.

Take Care,
B) UT

 

[local 12 proud]

whens the last time the middle class was fairly represented in this country?

You think the dems/repubs give a crap about our plight?

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

whens the last time the middle class was fairly represented in this country?

You think the dems/repubs give a crap about our plight?

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"12",

HOPEFULLY, you won't bore us with "Clinton inherited an economy in 92' that was JUST TURNING AROUND/UP, and DUMBYA inherited an economy that was JUST HEADING SOUTH/DOWN !!

Back to you hypothesis.

During 8 years of Democrats(Clinton) the Middle class WAS a reality.
Since BUSH, it become a VERY distant MEMORY !!

Oil/gasoline prices NEVER go to $3/4 a gallon, while the EXXONS of the Industry make record HUGE profits, when Democrats are in office.....BUT the opposite is true, when the GOP is in power ??


Hillary/08

NH/BB's

 

[KCFlyer]

Oil/gasoline prices NEVER go to $3/4 a gallon, while the EXXONS of the Industry make record HUGE profits, when Democrats are in office.....BUT the opposite is true, when the GOP is in power ??
Hillary/08

NH/BB's

While I agree with you a lot of the time Bear, I don't think we can blame $3 to $4 a gallon for gas solely on Bush. To me, it's simple economics...While two generations of Americans have grown up to see adulthood in the backseats of sedans or station wagons, the American's love of the "safe" SUV's (their kids might not see their teenage years were it not for the safety afforded by these behemoths) that gulp gas at 13mpg put quite a demand on the supply of gasoline. IMHO, we are seeing the results of that demand. Sure, I have no doubt Cheney and his buddies in their secret meetings had a little something to do with it, but bottom line - it's supply and demand. And Americans demand it like no other country on earth.

Personally, I wouldn't have minded seeing a tax on gas that would have pushed it to these levels some time ago, especially when I see the fleet of Suburbans and H2's and Expeditions cruising down the boulevard with ONE occupant in them. The only way Americans seem to be able to even consider any kind of conservation is when it hits them in the wallet. As it is, I have no sympathy for the folks on TV, standing at a gas pump filling their Expedition and whining that it costs them $75 or more to fill it up.

FWIW, I bought a hybrid (Prius) back when gas was only about $2 a gallon. Even at today's prices, $25 of gas lasts me two weeks.

 

[local 12 proud]

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"12",

HOPEFULLY, you won't bore us with "Clinton inherited an economy in 92' that was JUST TURNING AROUND/UP, and DUMBYA inherited an economy that was JUST HEADING SOUTH/DOWN !!

...OK I won't bore you with the facts!

During 8 years of Democrats(Clinton) the Middle class WAS a reality.
Since BUSH, it become a VERY distant MEMORY !!

Yea I can't wait to pay more taxes to help fund bigger government!

Oil/gasoline prices NEVER go to $3/4 a gallon, while the EXXONS of the Industry make record HUGE profits, when Democrats are in office.....BUT the opposite is true, when the GOP is in power ??
Hillary/08

NH/BB's

Guess you were'nt around in the 70's for the long lines and the Carter administration.

 

[KCFlyer]

...OK I won't bore you with the facts!

Mark this post...when a democrat is elected, and this "growing economy" that the right is touting today tanks in early 2009...will it be what that president inherited, or will it be because a dem is in the white house.

Yea I can't wait to pay more taxes to help fund bigger government!

Yes...it's always better to let our friends the Chinese fund todays government....that is somehow BIGGER than it was when Clinton was in office. Even Bush's daddy recognized that you have to have SOME taxes in order for the government to even run.

 

[local 12 proud]

Mark this post...

Done...find out who your friends are!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEN4o0Af_zE...ted&search=

 

[777 fixer]

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"12",

During 8 years of Democrats(Clinton) the Middle class WAS a reality.
Since BUSH, it become a VERY distant MEMORY !!

I came to the realization a long time ago that the only person looking out for my best interest is me. I'm not going to delude myself into thinking that either political party is going to stand arm an arm with me.

If you want to talk about the middle class let me bring up the TWU six year contract back in the mid 90's. The TWU basically agreed to a six year contract with a total pay raise of around 6%. So while the economy was booming and AA was reaping record profits our pay was stagnant. Now using what I think your logic is that must be Bill Clintons fault. As well all know however it was not. It was our fault. Likewise the 2001 contract with the increases in pay and benefits, while not all that we wanted, was a big improvement over the 1995 contract. GWB must be the reason for this. Yeah right.

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"12",

Oil/gasoline prices NEVER go to $3/4 a gallon, while the EXXONS of the Industry make record HUGE profits, when Democrats are in office.....BUT the opposite is true, when the GOP is in power ??
Hillary/08
NH/BB's
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There's still a part of me that thinks you are saying this just to get a reaction out of certain people. However if you really believe this let me point out a couple things. First do you think Hilliary would have any control over how much oil OPEC deciedes to pump out of the ground? Does Hilliary have any control over the increasing demand for oil in countires like China and India. No she does not.

Below is a chart that shows you are only fooling yourself if you think Democrats mean cheap oil.

< http://inflationdata.com/inflation/images/...rices_Chart.htm >

 

[777 fixer]

Personally, I wouldn't have minded seeing a tax on gas that would have pushed it to these levels some time ago, especially when I see the fleet of Suburbans and H2's and Expeditions cruising down the boulevard with ONE occupant in them. The only way Americans seem to be able to even consider any kind of conservation is when it hits them in the wallet. As it is, I have no sympathy for the folks on TV, standing at a gas pump filling their Expedition and whining that it costs them $75 or more to fill it up.

FWIW, I bought a hybrid (Prius) back when gas was only about $2 a gallon. Even at today's prices, $25 of gas lasts me two weeks.

I still scratch my head when I see co workers pull into the hanger parking lot driving a big pick up, Ford Mustang GT or SUV. The first question how can they afford that and how can they afford the gas.

You probably would have been better off buying a four cylinder fuel efficent non-hybrid car. When you add up the number chances are you are really not saving any money. Unless you plan to keep the car 8-10 years.

 

[KCFlyer]

I still scratch my head when I see co workers pull into the hanger parking lot driving a big pick up, Ford Mustang GT or SUV. The first question how can they afford that and how can they afford the gas.

You probably would have been better off buying a four cylinder fuel efficent non-hybrid car. When you add up the number chances are you are really not saving any money. Unless you plan to keep the car 8-10 years.

Actually, the Prius was and is still unique enough for any "premium", although I feel I got a pretty good deal on both mine. The reason - I traded a Chrysler 300M for my Prius. The Prius has more front seat headroom, just as much front seat legroom, MORE rear seat legroom, and the hatchback design gives it a versatility that you don't find any many other cars. Granted, I can't haul a sofa in the back, but I have no trouble toting around two labrador retrievers, or some smaller furniture, or even a lawnmower. Add to that I have spent $0 on any maintenance outside of oil changes, and it's all the better.

I know I was filling the tank of my 300M weekly, and I fill my Prius once every other week, with half the gas the 300M took. People say the battery will cost when it has to be replaced, but it's got a 10 year, 100,000 mile warranty on it. I do plan on keeping the car...well, I may give it to my daughter in another 3 years. All I know is that without changing my driving habits one bit, I am now getting 45 mpg on average. If I drive with a lighter foot and anticipate stoplights better (which I have done in an experiment) I had no problem getting a 50mpg average on a tank of gas. I also get a $100 a year gift card from work for my "ozone reduction" efforts, plus there are more and more places in my area where alternative fuel vehicles are getting a close in parking spot.

Oh yeah, I grew up riding in a 1956 Plymouth Belvedere, a 1968 Plymouth Valiant, Plymouth Fury III's and Chrysler Newports. Actually got broadsided by a semi in one of the Fury III's and I survived my teens to make it a half century on this planet. I really don't see where SUV's are any "safer" for kids than a sedan. In fact, the false sense of security provided by SUV's makes the LESS safe unless THEY are the ones doing the hitting. Matter of fact, I passed an accident Friday...a guy rolled his Expedition (so much for the "safer" argument) and he wasn't wearing a seat belt. He ended up face down in the mud with an SUV on top of him. The guy following him got a lawn crew to take a tow chain and lift the truck off his face.

But again, I have absolutely no sympathy for someone who drives an urban assault vehicle as a daily commuter and whines about the price of gas. AS far as I am concerned, they have noone to blame but themselves. Now...excuse me while I go hug a tree.

 

[local 12 proud]

Now...excuse me while I go hug a tree.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KdLZtpZb5g