WN Mechanics seek mediation

[B737 driver]

Again, your mixing up subjects and they come out as nonsense One Too Many. Never said SWA AMTs don't work hard. Also I have almost 30 years, so more than likely your a rookie to me. An airplane is an airplane? (You might want to inform B737, he says 737s come in many types) Well, I'll remember you said that if you ever get a 787-800 or a 777-300 at SWA, a 737 they ain't. I also don't know where you get the 16-1 at AA, it might be 11 or 12 to 1, sure isn't 16. Must be another Reamster trucker tale.

Also SWA has guys who "Triple Out" and get paid rest? Making 150k to 200k? Many are millionaires? I guess that would be nice, could not imagine it. Don't know what you would do if whiners like you didn't get all that One Too Many, and were stuck with 14 years of record setting concessions never seen before. I have not seen a double time paycheck almost half of my 30 year career....let that sink in. I haven't had a Memorial day in 14 years (I'm a veteran too) where I made more that half-pay when I worked. Let that sink in. 14 years. 5 holidays

So really, stop you whining about a T/A, get behind your union, and quit dreams of a Reamster home coming.

 

[B737 driver]

Just curious Hack I never see any of your post recently on the American AMT threads so that means one or two things, you are retired or close to retirement ; or your membership that supports the IAM/TWU that no one really seems to be able to get rid of them. They are probably tired of your rants with no solutions to make it better, other than complain like you accuse me of doing. So let me get this straight you can rant and rave how you want to get rid of your dysfunctional union at American and want AMFA over there. However if people at SWA are tired of the excuses that AMFA gives us and can't produce an agreement , or eventually bring us a crapshoot agreement we vote in we aren't allowed to want to replace them!

 

[B737 driver]

To Hackman all the ex Northwest guys I work with chased jobs after AMFA got in, hate AMFA. What they say about AMFA is they are famous for losing mechanics jobs, probably why United kicked them out! We at SWA have never experienced that, but if get a lousy contract, or can't produce one, I believe their days are numbered.

 

[I'll have another]

I despise the way the Association was hatched by the AFl-Cio and Trumka then rammed down our throats by the NMB. We were continuously lied to that there would be a membership vote on the Association. An Association no one wanted or voted for, except the leaders of the IAm/TWu and AFl-CIo. That vote failed to happen as predicted. The corrupt NMB sided with Trumka and the Association was forced into place. All this was done to protect the IAm dues flow and the IAm failing pension fund (which many predict will be forced on AA in a new JCBA). What you have now is the IAm who won't fight with the TWu, seems to be content they got saved, got to enjoy a 22% pay raise Parker gave us out of his "goodwill", and keep all the double time pay, vacation, holidays, and low medical we had at AA before the 2003 major TWu gutting. The IAm did not enjoin the DFW and MIA TWu protests, just letters of support from Grand Lodge minions. Won't even show up because they don't want a JCBA with the AA screwing we got in 2003. In addition, no one I know at AA wanted the merger to happen except AA pilots AA F/As and Jim little of the TWu. Parker needed a dancing partner to bail out his failing airline and would probably be in Chapter 7 liquidation by now, Delta and United told US Air to merge with a middle finger, but AA unions thought they knew better. Instead, we have the twice bankrupt US Air/America West failed management style, blatant lies, and stupid slogans like "Validate the Trust", and "Team Members". Then add a sprinkling of Northwest arrogance and aggression for us AMT slugs. Parker won the AA lottery, he's making about double what Kelly is bringing in, while he lies like a rug and his bottom feeder henchmen destroy what's left of a once great airline. We are now the largest suckyest commuter "nickel and dime" airline in the world. You think it sucks working at SWA?

So why do we keep the Association at AA? Apathy and pure disgust in the process to remove them I guess. We had over 10,000 AMTs at one time, so it's a big undertaking to get a card drive started. AMFA filed cards in 2003 after a long and nasty fight to get them signed, Tulsa Base is especially difficult because of TWu indoctrination since the 40s, they don't like any change. Then AMFA had to fight a three headed monster, the far from neutral AA management, who wanted to keep the company union TWu and padded the eligibility vote list with dead people, rampers, and yes even management. The TWu and its no expense spared demonetization fight against it's own membership who desired a change in representation, all to stay in power and stay under managements desk, keeping all those special perks the TWu leadership enjoys being a lapdog. Finally and most important, the corrupt NMB, who apparently sided with the company and the company union refusing the AMFA card count, protest of the eligibility voter list, and finally rejected the request to have representation vote. The TWu crowed' 'We won the right not to have a vote!!!" Because they would have lost more than likely. Real democratic they are.

AMFA could easily give in a do what Industrial Unions have done for years, just sell out and say the infamous words: 'We'll get em next time". Well, that time is now!!! You at SWA have a good livable contract now, one of the best out there, but your AMFA/Seham hatred prevents you from seeing the forest through the trees. You miss your Reamster perks, I know the story. No airline union today can FORCE the company to give you a contract on demand, one the membership deserves for the risky and very critical jobs we perform on aircraft every day. The government stops the self help or strike as soon as it starts, ask the AA Pilots or Billdo Clinton. Can't shut down a major carrier, that would cause a hardship for the nation. Exception is, when the corrupt NMB plays along with management and lets management lock out the union and use replacement scabs like happened at NWA. Yet morons like yourself bash AMFA for standing tall and fighting at NWA, a strike was the only option with the outrageous demands by Dougie Steenland and his band of NWA henchmen. I have good friends that were in MSP at NWA, so I know what they went through. I'd like to see naysayers like you tell them they were wrong to their face. The strike was a watershed moment for labor, and they were hung out to dry by labor unions like the IAm and TWu. Now we are all paying for it. All I will say on NWA.

I am an unapologetic AMFA supporter. I think Dells' vision of all AMT's in one union is a great idea and one that has never been realized unfortunately. A catch all industrial union can't do the job for the AMTs, ask us AMTs at AA who are still under a horrible bankruptcy TWu contract after 14 years. Then you can whine like a school girl after you have lived what we have suffered. You think your not respected or feared at SWA? Cry me some crocodile tears son, you don't know what your talking about. Trust me.

Wow! Now that's a bottom of the bottle rant. Haven't done that in years. Whoa is me. Heard all this before and before that. All amt's in one union. The airlines have their own association. You get too much power, outsourcing and bankruptcies increase to cancel your power away. Chapter laws, trade laws, and of course labor laws that affect commerce are all stacked against us in case you didn't notice. Like I told you before, amfa is not going to save you. No strike/ no lockout is part of the RLA until self help. What we need to make the playing field level is no strike/no lockout/no replacement workers during self help. Then it's even. Until then, scabs win. Trust me! To keep our liveable contract at SWA , we shall keep the pressure on amfa. Our liveable contract goes they must go with it. Fair enough?

 

[swamt]

I despise the way the Association was hatched by the AFl-Cio and Trumka then rammed down our throats by the NMB. We were continuously lied to that there would be a membership vote on the Association. An Association no one wanted or voted for, except the leaders of the IAm/TWu and AFl-CIo. That vote failed to happen as predicted. The corrupt NMB sided with Trumka and the Association was forced into place. All this was done to protect the IAm dues flow and the IAm failing pension fund (which many predict will be forced on AA in a new JCBA). What you have now is the IAm who won't fight with the TWu, seems to be content they got saved, got to enjoy a 22% pay raise Parker gave us out of his "goodwill", and keep all the double time pay, vacation, holidays, and low medical we had at AA before the 2003 major TWu gutting. The IAm did not enjoin the DFW and MIA TWu protests, just letters of support from Grand Lodge minions. Won't even show up because they don't want a JCBA with the AA screwing we got in 2003. In addition, no one I know at AA wanted the merger to happen except AA pilots AA F/As and Jim little of the TWu. Parker needed a dancing partner to bail out his failing airline and would probably be in Chapter 7 liquidation by now, Delta and United told US Air to merge with a middle finger, but AA unions thought they knew better. Instead, we have the twice bankrupt US Air/America West failed management style, blatant lies, and stupid slogans like "Validate the Trust", and "Team Members". Then add a sprinkling of Northwest arrogance and aggression for us AMT slugs. Parker won the AA lottery, he's making about double what Kelly is bringing in, while he lies like a rug and his bottom feeder henchmen destroy what's left of a once great airline. We are now the largest suckyest commuter "nickel and dime" airline in the world. You think it sucks working at SWA?

So why do we keep the Association at AA? Apathy and pure disgust in the process to remove them I guess. We had over 10,000 AMTs at one time, so it's a big undertaking to get a card drive started. AMFA filed cards in 2003 after a long and nasty fight to get them signed, Tulsa Base is especially difficult because of TWu indoctrination since the 40s, they don't like any change. Then AMFA had to fight a three headed monster, the far from neutral AA management, who wanted to keep the company union TWu and padded the eligibility vote list with dead people, rampers, and yes even management. The TWu and its no expense spared demonetization fight against it's own membership who desired a change in representation, all to stay in power and stay under managements desk, keeping all those special perks the TWu leadership enjoys being a lapdog. Finally and most important, the corrupt NMB, who apparently sided with the company and the company union refusing the AMFA card count, protest of the eligibility voter list, and finally rejected the request to have representation vote. The TWu crowed' 'We won the right not to have a vote!!!" Because they would have lost more than likely. Real democratic they are.

AMFA could easily give in a do what Industrial Unions have done for years, just sell out and say the infamous words: 'We'll get em next time". Well, that time is now!!! You at SWA have a good livable contract now, one of the best out there, but your AMFA/Seham hatred prevents you from seeing the forest through the trees. You miss your Reamster perks, I know the story. No airline union today can FORCE the company to give you a contract on demand, one the membership deserves for the risky and very critical jobs we perform on aircraft every day. The government stops the self help or strike as soon as it starts, ask the AA Pilots or Billdo Clinton. Can't shut down a major carrier, that would cause a hardship for the nation. Exception is, when the corrupt NMB plays along with management and lets management lock out the union and use replacement scabs like happened at NWA. Yet morons like yourself bash AMFA for standing tall and fighting at NWA, a strike was the only option with the outrageous demands by Dougie Steenland and his band of NWA henchmen. I have good friends that were in MSP at NWA, so I know what they went through. I'd like to see naysayers like you tell them they were wrong to their face. The strike was a watershed moment for labor, and they were hung out to dry by labor unions like the IAm and TWu. Now we are all paying for it. All I will say on NWA.

I am an unapologetic AMFA supporter. I think Dells' vision of all AMT's in one union is a great idea and one that has never been realized unfortunately. A catch all industrial union can't do the job for the AMTs, ask us AMTs at AA who are still under a horrible bankruptcy TWu contract after 14 years. Then you can whine like a school girl after you have lived what we have suffered. You think your not respected or feared at SWA? Cry me some crocodile tears son, you don't know what your talking about. Trust me.

Well said brother. I must apologize for these guys. Not sure why, but do know they are on a mission. At this time I must install both of them on ignore. I am tired of them asking the same questions, using the same comparos, and constantly using the same bashings.
Hackman, I will update you when I can on some of the road show info. Here at SWA most have already said we are at a stalemate until next year some time with all the holidays coming up since the mediators can't get back at it until late Nov and Dec.

 

[B737 driver]

Well said brother. I must apologize for these guys. Not sure why, but do know they are on a mission. At this time I must install both of them on ignore. I am tired of them asking the same questions, using the same comparos, and constantly using the same bashings.
Hackman, I will update you when I can on some of the road show info. Here at SWA most have already said we are at a stalemate until next year some time with all the holidays coming up since the mediators can't get back at it until late Nov and Dec.

You can put your pathetic attack dog Hackman away make sure you feed him, I am going to go put them on ignore, make sure you give the American guys your expert labor advice they are going to need it !!!!

 

[I'll have another]

Here's the update on the roadshow. None scheduled. Not a peep from the national website going on 11 days.

 

[B737 driver]

Here's the update on the roadshow. None scheduled. Not a peep from the national website going on 11 days.

I will give them the benefit of the doubt because of the hurricane!

 

[Hackman]

To Hackman all the ex Northwest guys I work with chased jobs after AMFA got in, hate AMFA. What they say about AMFA is they are famous for losing mechanics jobs, probably why United kicked them out! We at SWA have never experienced that, but if get a lousy contract, or can't produce one, I believe their days are numbered.

Well there is always whiners, snivelers, and cowardly company boys like yourself that only care about themselves (You- I want a T/A to look at so I can vote yes and get my money) If you ask United now or read their crappy Reamster contract, they regret voting in the Reamsters and the lies they told to get in, (such as we will bring back all your IAm outsourced work and the Indy Maintenance Base). Would have thought they learned their lesson with the IAm. Many times you've been asked here after your ignorant statements: AMFA is done at SWA, AMFA can't produce a contract, AMFA days are numbered. AMFA this...Seham that. The Question again: Who are you going to replace AMFA with? Who? When? Then when is the drive for said union is starting.....? Give an answer instead of dodging it. I will wait.

Never said it sucks working at SWA, This company does not fear AMFA plain and simple, rank and file are scared beyound holding a sign, people are mad, and you guys can say what you want and hold up your pom poms, they the negotiating committee knows whatever comes out will pass plain and simple, or they would put it out to prove a no vote, they will not, and Hackman you will never get rid of the association at American because people do not care, so there are no crocodile years here. I feel sorry for you, because you think AMFA would solve your problems when they can't solve ours at SWA and everyone knows it !

SWA sure seems to suck working the way you complain about your money, your T/A to look at, and your constant whining about YOU. Your lucky your at SWA with a decent contract and not at AA under a bankrupt one, poor little thing wouldn't make it without your binky and your pacifier. People are mad at SWA? Oh no, not that. The ones I know there blame the company for stalling 5 plus years, not the union. It's the same at AA, Parker lies and Jerry Glass the chief negotiator follows those lies with more lies, and stalling. I know where the blame lies, and its mostly the company. I never said AMFA would solve all problems, that's another ignorant statement on you. Not surprised at all.

To Hackman all the ex Northwest guys I work with chased jobs after AMFA got in, hate AMFA. What they say about AMFA is they are famous for losing mechanics jobs, probably why United kicked them out! We at SWA have never experienced that, but if get a lousy contract, or can't produce one, I believe their days are numbered.

A whole lot of people have chased jobs in this industry, your point? How did AMFA lose jobs? I thought the company hired, fired, furrowed employees? It's funny how AMFA lost jobs as you say, but the Reamsters, IAm, TWu never have. Days are numbered....can't produce....all AMFAs fault. Bovine Excrement.

Just curious Hack I never see any of your post recently on the American AMT threads so that means one or two things, you are retired or close to retirement ; or your membership that supports the IAM/TWU that no one really seems to be able to get rid of them. They are probably tired of your rants with no solutions to make it better, other than complain like you accuse me of doing. So let me get this straight you can rant and rave how you want to get rid of your dysfunctional union at American and want AMFA over there. However if people at SWA are tired of the excuses that AMFA gives us and can't produce an agreement , or eventually bring us a crapshoot agreement we vote in we aren't allowed to want to replace them!

Nope not retired or going to anytime soon, I started at AA right out of the military in my 20's, so I have a while to go yet. Ok? You seem to be overly occupied with who I am, where and when I post, or what airline. Really should not concern yourself,(privacy is a rule here) it's not your business. Mind your own, you have enough problems being a greedy sniveling impatient company suck who only cares about YOU. I'm sure that many of the SWA Reamster victims you mis-represented are happy your sidelined in your anti-AMFA hate locker. Get a life, your gonna have a stroke.

 

[Hackman]

Well said brother. I must apologize for these guys. Not sure why, but do know they are on a mission. At this time I must install both of them on ignore. I am tired of them asking the same questions, using the same comparos, and constantly using the same bashings.
Hackman, I will update you when I can on some of the road show info. Here at SWA most have already said we are at a stalemate until next year some time with all the holidays coming up since the mediators can't get back at it until late Nov and Dec.

No problem Swamt, we have lots of greedy company suck snivelers at AA that have never fought and never will. They need to be spoon fed and if they don't get their way, it's wet crying towel time. It seems the two disjointed Reamster gals are joining the party here a day late and dollar short. I would say company plants, looking for water LOL. I don't post here much like I used to, kinda grown tired of the Industrial Union Minions that have been living under a rock for years. Understand that when the company sucks lose the cushy company union positions, and then AMFA came in, they are very bitter gals. Can't cut those deals like they used to, damn it. We had two days of negotiations 28-29 at AA, but no word as of yet how it went. More company lies I would suppose. Have a good one.

 

[B737 driver]

Well there is always whiners, snivelers, and cowardly company boys like yourself that only care about themselves (You- I want a T/A to look at so I can vote yes and get my money) If you ask United now or read their crappy Reamster contract, they regret voting in the Reamsters and the lies they told to get in, (such as we will bring back all your IAm outsourced work and the Indy Maintenance Base). Would have thought they learned their lesson with the IAm. Many times you've been asked here after your ignorant statements: AMFA is done at SWA, AMFA can't produce a contract, AMFA days are numbered. AMFA this...Seham that. The Question again: Who are you going to replace AMFA with? Who? When? Then when is the drive for said union is starting.....? Give an answer instead of dodging it. I will wait.
SWA sure seems to suck working the way you complain about your money, your T/A to look at, and your constant whining about YOU. Your lucky your at SWA with a decent contract and not at AA under a bankrupt one, poor little thing wouldn't make it without your binky and your pacifier. People are mad at SWA? Oh no, not that. The ones I know there blame the company for stalling 5 plus years, not the union. It's the same at AA, Parker lies and Jerry Glass the chief negotiator follows those lies with more lies, and stalling. I know where the blame lies, and its mostly the company. I never said AMFA would solve all problems, that's another ignorant statement on you. Not surprised at all.

A whole lot of people have chased jobs in this industry, your point? How did AMFA lose jobs? I thought the company hired, fired, furrowed employees? It's funny how AMFA lost jobs as you say, but the Reamsters, IAm, TWu never have. Days are numbered....can't produce....all AMFAs fault. Bovine Excrement.

Nope not retired or going to anytime soon, I started at AA right out of the military in my 20's, so I have a while to go yet. Ok? You seem to be overly occupied with who I am, where and when I post, or what airline. Really should not concern yourself,(privacy is a rule here) it's not your business. Mind your own, you have enough problems being a greedy sniveling impatient company suck who only cares about YOU. I'm sure that many of the SWA Reamster victims you mis-represented are happy your sidelined in your anti-AMFA hate locker. Get a life, your gonna have a stroke.

I really don't care who you are, don't give a crap, you are just bitter, hope you get AMFA at American you will see they can't get you anymore than you got right now, good luck!

 

[B737 driver]

Well there is always whiners, snivelers, and cowardly company boys like yourself that only care about themselves (You- I want a T/A to look at so I can vote yes and get my money) If you ask United now or read their crappy Reamster contract, they regret voting in the Reamsters and the lies they told to get in, (such as we will bring back all your IAm outsourced work and the Indy Maintenance Base). Would have thought they learned their lesson with the IAm. Many times you've been asked here after your ignorant statements: AMFA is done at SWA, AMFA can't produce a contract, AMFA days are numbered. AMFA this...Seham that. The Question again: Who are you going to replace AMFA with? Who? When? Then when is the drive for said union is starting.....? Give an answer instead of dodging it. I will wait.
SWA sure seems to suck working the way you complain about your money, your T/A to look at, and your constant whining about YOU. Your lucky your at SWA with a decent contract and not at AA under a bankrupt one, poor little thing wouldn't make it without your binky and your pacifier. People are mad at SWA? Oh no, not that. The ones I know there blame the company for stalling 5 plus years, not the union. It's the same at AA, Parker lies and Jerry Glass the chief negotiator follows those lies with more lies, and stalling. I know where the blame lies, and its mostly the company. I never said AMFA would solve all problems, that's another ignorant statement on you. Not surprised at all.

A whole lot of people have chased jobs in this industry, your point? How did AMFA lose jobs? I thought the company hired, fired, furrowed employees? It's funny how AMFA lost jobs as you say, but the Reamsters, IAm, TWu never have. Days are numbered....can't produce....all AMFAs fault. Bovine Excrement.

Nope not retired or going to anytime soon, I started at AA right out of the military in my 20's, so I have a while to go yet. Ok? You seem to be overly occupied with who I am, where and when I post, or what airline. Really should not concern yourself,(privacy is a rule here) it's not your business. Mind your own, you have enough problems being a greedy sniveling impatient company suck who only cares about YOU. I'm sure that many of the SWA Reamster victims you mis-represented are happy your sidelined in your anti-AMFA hate locker. Get a life, your gonna have a stroke.

Nope no stroke you just have a double standard you can ***** and moan about American and your crapshoot union, but if we don't like the way things are going you say we are wrong. Who do we replace them with whoever the membership decides, if they can get a contract with descent language they stay, if they can't they eventually go, can't make it any simpler than that!

 

[Hackman]

Wow! Now that's a bottom of the bottle rant. Haven't done that in years. Whoa is me. Heard all this before and before that. All amt's in one union. The airlines have their own association. You get too much power, outsourcing and bankruptcies increase to cancel your power away. Chapter laws, trade laws, and of course labor laws that affect commerce are all stacked against us in case you didn't notice. Like I told you before, amfa is not going to save you. No strike/ no lockout is part of the RLA until self help. What we need to make the playing field level is no strike/no lockout/no replacement workers during self help. Then it's even. Until then, scabs win. Trust me! To keep our liveable contract at SWA , we shall keep the pressure on amfa. Our liveable contract goes they must go with it. Fair enough?

There you go again, nonsensical blather One Too Many. I don't drink during the week very much if at all, just a night owl after years of working mids and nights. If I was bombed and posting it wouldn't be so easy to out flank you dumb truckers😱 You say you "heard it all before", but so far your industrial unions like the Reamsters always give away the scope, benefits, and pay to "save jobs". We had one good contract here in 2001 after AMFA at NWA broke the bank, we enjoyed it for about a year and a half. At AA since 2003, we were gutted (again, just a threat of BK), lost thousands of jobs, 400k to 500k in pay, and two closed maintenance bases, MCI and AFW. With your pretzel logic, I should blame all that on the TWu and nothing on AA management right? What you say, is that correct? So pressure AMFA to the extreme, but no pressure on the company? Did I read that right? Of course I did. It seems you got your company shill priorities in place, backwards Reamsters taught you well.

Again, who will you replace AMFA with? Still waiting for the piece of that puzzle.

 

[I'll have another]

There you go again, nonsensical blather One Too Many. I don't drink during the week very much if at all, just a night owl after years of working mids and nights. If I was bombed and posting it wouldn't be so easy to out flank you dumb truckers😱 You say you "heard it all before", but so far your industrial unions like the Reamsters always give away the scope, benefits, and pay to "save jobs". We had one good contract here in 2001 after AMFA at NWA broke the bank, we enjoyed it for about a year and a half. At AA since 2003, we were gutted (again, just a threat of BK), lost thousands of jobs, 400k to 500k in pay, and two closed maintenance bases, KCI and AFW. With your pretzel logic, I should blame all that on the TWu and nothing on AA management right? What you say, is that correct? So pressure AMFA to the extreme, but no pressure on the company? Did I read that right? Of course I did. It seems you got your company shill priorities in place, backwards Reamsters taught you well.

Again, who will you replace AMFA with? Still waiting for the piece of that puzzle.

You need to start drinking heavily. It'll help you out. If amfa serves us a Texas steamer, they will be replaced. That's all you need to know. Very simple to understand. That s what we're trying to prevent, giving up teamster scope language. Like what was already stated, if amfa produces they stay, they fail us they leave. Makes fair and perfect sense to anyone with only a brain stem left for a brain. Why would you keep a union that ruined your "liveable" contract? So you can do recalls, sit in on negotiations, control the money, get a pocket calender once a year. The majority could careless about that stuff. Job security, competitive wages, wage and work rules, etc... that's what they care about.

 

[Hackman]

[e QUOTE="B737 driver, post: 1273061, member: 33831"]I really don't care who you are, don't give a crap, you are just bitter, hope you get AMFA at American you will see they can't get you anymore than you got right now, good luck![/QUOTE]
I'm glad you don't give a crap, then stop asking like you did on the AA board. If anyone is bitter, its you. You whine constantly about a T/A to look at, your money, and how AMFA is done at SWA. You can barely manage waiting 5 years for a contract, good thing because you wouldn't make 14 years, company shill.