WN Mechanics seek mediation

[B737 driver]

I figured out two things either Hackman is a Seham stooge that pretends to be a TWU/IAM union man, that wants the best for his brothers, but in secret wants to get what SWA has ; or he is a IAM/ TWU that wants the SWA AMFA guys to strike so he and his buddies can either walk across the ramp, or drive wherever they are based at to their new SWA jobs with a contract that they could never achieve at American with ex Northwest/ America West management !

 

[swamt]

Not much of a mission if all the message is stammering about Seham, tearing down the warriors at NWA, and gimme my money, or I want a T/A to look at. Kinda weak sauce on the company shills.

Then you have No Figures, he's ready to fight...something or other. Calling you out bro! Whew, that was close.

Yea. After the first 3 questions I purged. They were all the same questions from over the years about AMFA and they have all been answered. I am tired of revisiting the same questions over and over and over again. If they want their answers they can just as easy research these past pages all they want, I will not entertain it myself, the others can do as they pls. The seham questions and the lawsuit questions have all been answered at our monthly union meetings as well as by the ALR's which can be contacted by phone very easily. I am done getting information for people too lazy to do their own searching and just wanna throw charges and misinformation out there, not playing that game any longer.

 

[B737 driver]

Yea. After the first 3 questions I purged. They were all the same questions from over the years about AMFA and they have all been answered. I am tired of revisiting the same questions over and over and over again. If they want their answers they can just as easy research these past pages all they want, I will not entertain it myself, the others can do as they pls. The seham questions and the lawsuit questions have all been answered at our monthly union meetings as well as by the ALR's which can be contacted by phone very easily. I am done getting information for people too lazy to do their own searching and just wanna throw charges and misinformation out there, not playing that game any longer.

You can't answer the question on the law suits because of section 6 negotiations, even the union can't, so it is pointless to try to guess. The negotiations must be concluded, and at that time of a T/ A whenever it is achieved the lawsuits would be resolved, just like it was with the pilots !

 

[WeAAsles]

You can't answer the question on the law suits because of section 6 negotiations, even the union can't, so it is pointless to try to guess. The negotiations must be concluded, and at that time of a T/ A whenever it is achieved the lawsuits would be resolved, just like it was with the pilots !

He can't answer the questions because he's squatting in other people's houses.

Deep down I really don't think he likes his own house.

swamt wants to be an AA Baggage Handler.

 

[B737 driver]

He can't answer the questions because he's squatting in other people's houses.

Deep down I really don't think he likes his own house.

swamt wants to be an AA Baggage Handler.

Maybe he is a SWA ramp worker, that wants to be a SWA AMT, just like I was an F14 pilot Lol ! 🙂

 

[B737 driver]

I think Hackman was a nuclear submarine captain looking for Sheham, either way he is Bullwinkle ! 🙂

 

[Go Figure]

Yea. After the first 3 questions I purged. They were all the same questions from over the years about AMFA and they have all been answered. I am tired of revisiting the same questions over and over and over again. If they want their answers they can just as easy research these past pages all they want, I will not entertain it myself, the others can do as they pls. The seham questions and the lawsuit questions have all been answered at our monthly union meetings as well as by the ALR's which can be contacted by phone very easily. I am done getting information for people too lazy to do their own searching and just wanna throw charges and misinformation out there, not playing that game any longer.

 

[Go Figure]

No answer or agenda!!!! Called u out. As expected - ignore the issue and quandary Seham got u guys in and and hold ur breath. Hell of game plan to have in section 6 negotiations. Admit it- ur legal advisory team outgunned once again and hold the membership hostage over an overblown ego of the Seham group. Replay of USAPA debacle. We see how that worked out!!!! Might want to put down your amfa Pom Pom and get a plan. The plan u have now has no outcome and looks to have Disaster writing all over it. Wow! Keep hiding and ignoring issues and everything will work out. Good luck . The hard working members are going to need it following your current plan.

 

[WeAAsles]

Pulling away for a moment from the little game that swamt and I have been playing. It might be important for you people to watch this video also since SWA and NWA are mentioned.

 

[737MX]

That's what AMFA does. They claim to be democratic but they are nothing more than a dictatorship that drives money in to the AMFA law firm. It's difficult to get good guys to run for Union positions in AMFA. You end up with the worst guys representing the group because no one wants to deal with all of the BS caused by the bad guys. Then if anyone says anything bad about AMFA out comes the bully intimidating mentality. They do not represent the majority. They represent the minority and will argue that they are protecting you from yourself. Don't let them lead you off the cliff like they did us at NWA.

 

[B737 driver]

That's what AMFA does. They claim to be democratic but they are nothing more than a dictatorship that drives money in to the AMFA law firm. It's difficult to get good guys to run for Union positions in AMFA. You end up with the worst guys representing the group because no one wants to deal with all of the BS caused by the bad guys. Then if anyone says anything bad about AMFA out comes the bully intimidating mentality. They do not represent the majority. They represent the minority and will argue that they are protecting you from yourself. Don't let them lead you off the cliff like they did us at NWA.

Don't worry I think Hackman bill the cat hack, Crows foot, SWamt, are driving the bus towards the cliff. They don't think that Southwest can easily replace 2500 ,mechanics, Northwest replaced 8500,-& ran the operation with 1800 no problem, or that Anderson didn't have anything to do with it, and just happened to become the CEO of the new reorganized Delta Airlines,! They also believe our ex Northwest mechanics will blindly follow them again !!!

 

[swamt]

That's what AMFA does. They claim to be democratic but they are nothing more than a dictatorship that drives money in to the AMFA law firm. It's difficult to get good guys to run for Union positions in AMFA. You end up with the worst guys representing the group because no one wants to deal with all of the BS caused by the bad guys. Then if anyone says anything bad about AMFA out comes the bully intimidating mentality. They do not represent the majority. They represent the minority and will argue that they are protecting you from yourself. Don't let them lead you off the cliff like they did us at NWA.

I disagree with your assumptions. AMFA is in fact democratic, pls explain how they are not. You say they are a dictatorship that drives funds to the law firm, pls give exact examples and cases. You claim that it is difficult to get good guys to run for union positions; again wrong. We have very good guys in all our union positions. Then you claim we have the worst guys in the positions representing the group. Says you. Why don't you throw your name into the election hat? And why we are on the subject, I personally, as well as many others on the floor, think this group is doing a fantastic job at representing OUR best interest. Yes it's been 5 years next month but, at least they are not just caving into all the "must haves" the company is screaming for in order to maintain SWA into the future. If we were still the teamsters or one of the other industrial unions we would have had an agreement (concessionary agreement) a long time ago. I tip my hat to the NC for standing strong, and facing the company head on with all their demands. The only guys that are complaining and pushing for a quick contract are the guys that live on O/T, the guys living beyond their means, the guys that are wanting to take the money and run etc... BTW, you can stop using the NWA fiasco as a tool. It really does get old.
I will add that I can see why you are thinking the way you are thinking, and I do not blame you, if you really did come from NWA. I too know of several guys from NWA that have expressed that same worry as they too had to experience that fiasco back then, but, most of them also fully understood that it had to be done as the company was pushing figures across the table that would get rid of 53-56% of the entire membership, they basically had no choice but to continue to fight the company. I have not heard one person say that a repeat of the NWA fiasco is the way to go. That was then and this is now, strikes in our industry just do not work unless you are higher up the chain, we would be replaced in a heartbeat, besides all that, the NMB (gov) would never elect for that process to even start with SWA as we fly the most passengers domestically than any other airline out there and it would cause too much interruption to the transportation market as a whole. Also besides all that, it is always better to come to an agreement from BOTH sides and not forced by any outsider third party. Just sayin...

 

[B737 driver]

I disagree with your assumptions. AMFA is in fact democratic, pls explain how they are not. You say they are a dictatorship that drives funds to the law firm, pls give exact examples and cases. You claim that it is difficult to get good guys to run for union positions; again wrong. We have very good guys in all our union positions. Then you claim we have the worst guys in the positions representing the group. Says you. Why don't you throw your name into the election hat? And why we are on the subject, I personally, as well as many others on the floor, think this group is doing a fantastic job at representing OUR best interest. Yes it's been 5 years next month but, at least they are not just caving into all the "must haves" the company is screaming for in order to maintain SWA into the future. If we were still the teamsters or one of the other industrial unions we would have had an agreement (concessionary agreement) a long time ago. I tip my hat to the NC for standing strong, and facing the company head on with all their demands. The only guys that are complaining and pushing for a quick contract are the guys that live on O/T, the guys living beyond their means, the guys that are wanting to take the money and run etc... BTW, you can stop using the NWA fiasco as a tool. It really does get old.
I will add that I can see why you are thinking the way you are thinking, and I do not blame you, if you really did come from NWA. I too know of several guys from NWA that have expressed that same worry as they too had to experience that fiasco back then, but, most of them also fully understood that it had to be done as the company was pushing figures across the table that would get rid of 53-56% of the entire membership, they basically had no choice but to continue to fight the company. I have not heard one person say that a repeat of the NWA fiasco is the way to go. That was then and this is now, strikes in our industry just do not work unless you are higher up the chain, we would be replaced in a heartbeat, besides all that, the NMB (gov) would never elect for that process to even start with SWA as we fly the most passengers domestically than any other airline out there and it would cause too much interruption to the transportation market as a whole. Also besides all that, it is always better to come to an agreement from BOTH sides and not forced by any outsider third party. Just sayin...

Well the first intelligent response I have heard, where I am at there are mechanics that just don't care anymore and are from Northwest, you are right about the overtime guys, they live off of it! I work some but don't kill myself !

 

[Hackman]

He will never answer you; I know Hackman's kind he talks unionism and brotherhood, but in reality he only cares about himself, he is unintelligent and bullies to try to achieve what his goals are! As I stated, I don't respond to teenage type persons that communicate in Ur and Ru, yours aren't much better. What are my goals? Only to see SWA AMTs succeed. I don't speak for them, AMFA, or Lee Seham, only myself. The bully here is you, and references to violence about Swa Amt getting his head split open at a picket. Then you go ask AA rampers who I am, what a dipshit move. I won't be claiming a "Psychology degree, with minor in business mathematics" while I work on aircraft. That's so laughable and sad at the same time. He doesn't love American Airlines he only loves what he can extract for himself. He has no respect for his union, he whispers and schemes to replace it, instead of trying to fix what is wrong. Unfortunately I want to "love" AA but they won't let me. SWA doesn't LUV you as you have seen, unless your under the bosses desk like you apparently are daily. The TWu membership has tried to "change from within" for longer than my career, in almost 30 years it hasn't worked. He thinks AMFA will be able to achieve his selfish ambitions, and when they can't he will curse them. I love my Airline, I hate people that seek to destroy it. AMFA is a mechanics union and that is what the AMTs need system wide, if that's my "selfish ambitions" then I am guilty as charged. Your not loved at SWA, except when your on your knees begging for a T/A to look at an whining about your money. You'll get a nice pat on the head from Kelly for your tears. When I was a Steward I fought when something was injust, when a person was wrong I told them so! Be truthful here, you were a company loving Reamster business agent and you got ousted when AMFA came in. Nobody wanted a company suck whiner for a representative. I quit as Hackman said, because AMFA did not welcome our help, and my wife hurt her back and couldn't work anymore, so it is only me, and I didn't want her to not have the help she needed! That's a sad story B737. What is "our help"? Your wife was a Reamster BA also? See a union needs to be questioned by their membership, contracts can only be achieved by working together, for the good of both sides! Yeah we see how you "question your union". Your beloved company doesn't want to "work together" as you can see for the 5 years of stonewalling. They want suck ups like you to cave in. Apparently your very willing to do just that to get your money. Quite sad. [/QUOTE}

 

[B737 driver]

Your nothing but Seham stooge, you want a job at SWA you can taste it, so Mr. American A MT, there are no postings from you! You are a fraud! You either post on the rampers page or ours, I hope Seham is paying you well, you are a devil in the dark !