WN Mechanics seek mediation

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Got ur West LOA on it who you think I am funny!

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Got ur West LOA on it who you think I am funny!

you know if your rea

No he doesn't.

hey prove it!

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

No he doesn't.

Kev do you have an A/P are are you confusing an issue WNMECH brought up?

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

No he doesn't.

Kev do you have an A/P are are you confusing an issue WNMECH brought up?

 

[Kev3188]

Nope.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Nope.

Thanx for the response in the late 70's early 80's a lot of international and heavy iron flight departments required A/P pilots due to int'l flt requirements especially foreign based companies!

 

[swamt]

Now we have more folks going off the deep end.  Some people have nothing better to do on a beautiful Saturday night, seems to me someone needs the counseling...

 

[700UW]

Just report it to the mods, they will clean up the thread.

 

[swamt]

In the union meeting held yesterday we were told that the mediators have been assigned and they will meet in order to set the schedule of meetings to come.  We were also told that there will be alot more meetings each month than what SWA was scheduling in the past.  The 2Q numbers are looking very positive and should help with the mediation process to move a little faster.  When we get the scheduled dates for meeting with the mediators I will try to post.  Should be alot better than the 1 or 2 days per month that the company was scheduling before...
 
Southwest Airlines posts record profit in second quarter

 

[WorldTraveler]

plz explain how mediation forces the company to pay more than it has offered before.

2nd quarter numbers aren't looking very positive.

they ARE very positive.

But strong profitability does not translate into higher salaries just because labor wants more.

 

[WNMECH]

It isn't about how much the company will pay at this point.
The company already offered money in their last comprehensive proposal to us.
The company is asking for language changes in our contract that we would not vote for.
Instant deal killers and the company calls them "must haves".
A mediator can point out that these changes are not warranted, and can urge the company to seek different approaches.
We need a third party to oversee the process as long as the company wants to make changes to our contract as if we were in bankruptcy court.
It is all about their hard line on language and work rule changes. Wage rates and retro is another discussion.
 
Before you ask, I wont be detailing these must haves.
An internet forum is not the place to argue about these differences, and both sides arguments can be misconstrued.
 
Some of the back and forth has been documented in letters to and from the company.
 
Both sides dispute what the language changes can mean for our members.

 

[700UW]

The role of the mediators to facilitate negotiations and report back to the board and give their opinion when an impasse is to be declared.

 

[WNMECH]

http://www.amfa11.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Mediation-Filing-Louie-Key.pdf

 

[WorldTraveler]

The role of the mediators to facilitate negotiations and report back to the board and give their opinion when an impasse is to be declared.

and yet has any WN workgroup had an impasse declared?

It isn't about how much the company will pay at this point.
The company already offered money in their last comprehensive proposal to us.
The company is asking for language changes in our contract that we would not vote for.
Instant deal killers and the company calls them "must haves".
A mediator can point out that these changes are not warranted, and can urge the company to seek different approaches.
We need a third party to oversee the process as long as the company wants to make changes to our contract as if we were in bankruptcy court.
It is all about their hard line on language and work rule changes. Wage rates and retro is another discussion.
 
Before you ask, I wont be detailing these must haves.
An internet forum is not the place to argue about these differences, and both sides arguments can be misconstrued.
 
Some of the back and forth has been documented in letters to and from the company.
 
Both sides dispute what the language changes can mean for our members.

I don't expect you to detail those must haves.

But what WN is asking of you - in general- WN FAs, and DL is of its pilots are all similar... workrule and productivity changes and sometimes scope that dramatically change costs while also offering relatively small increases for it.

It is very possible just like with DL's pilots that the membership will say they are better off with what they have right now than give up something for a pay raise... but companies do have ways of bringing the wage increases to a halt and given that DL and WN employees are both paid above average, it is very unlikely for a mediator to argue that DL or WN should increase wages.

DL and WN are both offering small raises along with workrule changes. unless those happen, both companies will likely stop wage increases.

 

[700UW]

Can have an impasse unless you are in mediation.