WN Mechanics seek mediation

Swamp you sell more fake news then all those cable news channels combined.

You said that you wouldn’t have a contract till 2028 and you know it. Those were YOUR words that I copied and pasted.

Don’t try to weasel out of it now.
Funny I saw it too, but didn't comment, I thought Swampy was trying to be funny.Then suddenly it was taken down, and he accused you of tampering.It doesn't matter , it's the same thing Gary Kelly did to the Airtran pilots didn't take his first offer he thought was fair, and gave them something worse. SWA is just showing AMFA who is the boss, that's all. It's a game of Poker.
 
First of all you NEVER had a tentative agreement, you had an “Agreement in Principal.”

Then it took like two months for the committee to put it out.

If it was TA like you said, then your NC would have recommended a Yes. They said vote it down and EVERY Article would have been agreed too if it was a TA.

And AMFA NEVER released the official tally.

You should apply for Fox “news” or replace Sarah Sanders as you are spewing false information.
Let's not forget 2 months from April 1 st Agreement in Principle. Then 6 months from April 1st to September to vote. Then the fiasco of the leaks from AMFA 11 members on Facebook during the voting process. With no punishment from the Union, because the vote talley was going the way the negotiating committee wanted. So is this new offer from the company going to include my backpay and tentative raise I accumulated from April 1 st 2018?When they pushed the No vote, but we are transparent.
 
WeAAsle, maybe u forgot I spent 23 years at AA, my last 10 years under the worst concessionary contract in their history. I’ve got it better now at WN than I ever had it at AA (including over $31,000 in profit sharing over 5 years) and every ex-AA employee feels the same. At 62 years of age I’m seasoned and patient. Sure, the TA we/I voted down was not bad but I’ll be damned if I will fold like a tent and stop supporting the democratic craft union I fought 13 years for at AA. I worked with Bret O. at AA and I trust his leadership.
Brett has his concrete business to fall back on, plus his pay from AMFA and SWA, he has nothing to lose. Young guys or single income like me, are tired of the same old song and dance from both SWA and our Union. It's time for honesty whenever we get a T/A that AMFA present it honestly this will be the max we can get and move on, why protecting as much scope as you can. To keep chasing a magic rainbow becomes pointless and unprofessional. The really sad thing is we have had mechanics retire and die waiting on this contract, what did AMFA get them, a big fat 0!
 
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Brett has his concrete business to fall back on, plus his pay from AMFA and SWA, he has nothing to lose. Young guys or single income like me, are tired of the same old song and dance from both SWA and our Union. It's time for honesty whenever we get a T/A that AMFA present it honestly this will be the max we can get and move on, why protecting as much scope as you can. To keep chasing a magic rainbow becomes pointless and unprofessional. The really sad thing is we have had mechanics retire and die waiting on this contract, what did AMFA get them, a big fat 0!
I agree, which is why I voted for the last one. This is the first contract AMFA has actually section 6'd for us, and at this rate, it'll be the last one for me at my age. A five year deal that turns into a 12 or more year fiasco, is ridiculous. Yeah, I know the agreement in principle wasn't stellar, but it wasn't bad in my opinon. I don't give two ****'s how they move the dollar signs around in their shell game, the bottom line is we have all lost the $$$ in our 401k's, and that is 7 years I cannot make up, no compound interest/dividends etc, while this Fn fiasco continues on. Someone posted IAM cards, are you Shitting me? We had Teamsters and are still working under a Teamster contract, and brought Amfa in, and now people think Iam is gonna make it alright? I am quite certain a majority of our chest pounders have never been shut out, turned away, only to go carry stupid picket sign. I for one have, and was a hell of a lot younger then, and in the end it was no gain. Worked well for NWA too, didn't it? This crap keeps up we're getting an arbitrator who's gonna make their own mind up and I can guarantee we will not like the result of that offer. Guys need to re-read that update by Tammi and look at the financial market, because things are not all rosy on the horizon coming, and we keep screwing around, we'll wish we would of taken last years deal. By the way, international outsource, WGAF? SWA is the highest outsourced airline of all the majors, and has been longer than even I've been here. Whether they send the crap to AAR, MCI, PAE, Salvador or China, as long as the crap is being done without airplanes falling out of the sky, you cannot stop this process of outsourcing. We have to keep what we have for lines but this doesn't affect that. We have more work that we have people as it is. The 16 hour thing, that will close to impossible to get past, you'll never get work done. How would a downline work out, pffffft, it wouldn't, and who would want to go. I have done so many damn triples though that even I will admit, 20-24 hours, your good for an oil service call, which is why most all the other carriers have canned this idea.
 
Arbitration? That’s only if you are released into a 30 day cooling off period and both AMFA and WN agree to arbitration. It’s not mandatory to accept it.
 
I agree, which is why I voted for the last one. This is the first contract AMFA has actually section 6'd for us, and at this rate, it'll be the last one for me at my age. A five year deal that turns into a 12 or more year fiasco, is ridiculous. Yeah, I know the agreement in principle wasn't stellar, but it wasn't bad in my opinon. I don't give two ****'s how they move the dollar signs around in their shell game, the bottom line is we have all lost the $$$ in our 401k's, and that is 7 years I cannot make up, no compound interest/dividends etc, while this Fn fiasco continues on. Someone posted IAM cards, are you Shitting me? We had Teamsters and are still working under a Teamster contract, and brought Amfa in, and now people think Iam is gonna make it alright? I am quite certain a majority of our chest pounders have never been shut out, turned away, only to go carry stupid picket sign. I for one have, and was a hell of a lot younger then, and in the end it was no gain. Worked well for NWA too, didn't it? This crap keeps up we're getting an arbitrator who's gonna make their own mind up and I can guarantee we will not like the result of that offer. Guys need to re-read that update by Tammi and look at the financial market, because things are not all rosy on the horizon coming, and we keep screwing around, we'll wish we would of taken last years deal. By the way, international outsource, WGAF? SWA is the highest outsourced airline of all the majors, and has been longer than even I've been here. Whether they send the crap to AAR, MCI, PAE, Salvador or China, as long as the crap is being done without airplanes falling out of the sky, you cannot stop this process of outsourcing. We have to keep what we have for lines but this doesn't affect that. We have more work that we have people as it is. The 16 hour thing, that will close to impossible to get past, you'll never get work done. How would a downline work out, pffffft, it wouldn't, and who would want to go. I have done so many damn triples though that even I will admit, 20-24 hours, your good for an oil service call, which is why most all the other carriers have canned this idea.
My own supervisor said 16 hours wouldn't get it done, and SWA would have to hire more mechanics, just to keep up with the line work. Planning assigns Turbine bearings checks on line RON now, when that used to be assigned to the Hangar. You throw in lightning strikes with the SWA 1091 form, and a Non Routine for every hit, plus having to get engineering involved in repairs it never ends. We lose money everyday and no back pay is going to make up for 7 years, of missed 401k matches and all the growth we lost, not to mention lost profit sharing based on what you make. Meanwhile we enrich the lawyers , and SWA management laughs at us.
 
First of all you NEVER had a tentative agreement, you had an “Agreement in Principal.”

Then it took like two months for the committee to put it out.

If it was TA like you said, then your NC would have recommended a Yes. They said vote it down and EVERY Article would have been agreed too if it was a TA.

And AMFA NEVER released the official tally.

You should apply for Fox “news” or replace Sarah Sanders as you are spewing false information.

Wrong sir, I never said we had a T/A. I have always said AIP. Not T/A until our NC agrees for it to be a T/A and they never did. Get a clue sir and follow the correct info.
 
My own supervisor said 16 hours wouldn't get it done, and SWA would have to hire more mechanics, just to keep up with the line work. Planning assigns Turbine bearings checks on line RON now, when that used to be assigned to the Hangar. You throw in lightning strikes with the SWA 1091 form, and a Non Routine for every hit, plus having to get engineering involved in repairs it never ends. We lose money everyday and no back pay is going to make up for 7 years, of missed 401k matches and all the growth we lost, not to mention lost profit sharing based on what you make. Meanwhile we enrich the lawyers , and SWA management laughs at us.
That's why it's a BS offer. Watch and learn about the shell games being played by the co. They are still playing their games and not nego seriously as of yet. The 16 hour limitation would kill the production at certain levels and we all know it, as does the co. It just cannot be done and sustain, period.
 
I am done with you yet again. No year was posted by me. Good bye...

Funny I saw it too, but didn't comment, I thought Swampy was trying to be funny.Then suddenly it was taken down, and he accused you of tampering

Look right there Swamp. Even driver saw you had that year there. You had up April 2028. I’m sure now that it was 2028 and not 2029.

Anyway I think you’ll get a deal done before 2028 even if you’re not so sure.

Maybe 2021 or 2022?
 
HAPPY AMFA RATIFICATION YEAR!!!!!

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Look right there Swamp. Even driver saw you had that year there. You had up April 2028. I’m sure now that it was 2028 and not 2029.

Anyway I think you’ll get a deal done before 2028 even if you’re not so sure.

Maybe 2021 or 2022?
Funny how you catch him in a lie. He worries about American, and can't see the total lack of progress in our craft union. But he talks how the Teamsters will set the bar if they approve their new offer, and it took them about 5.5 years at UPS. Yes Weazz I did notice AMFA has their countdown clock gone, not to good of a recruiting tool for other airlines. With Herb Kelleher gone, Gary Kelly is just showing the game has changed, and AMFA is caught with their pants down.
 
CountUP clock alive and well on the AMFA11 site right below the "Thanks for everything, Herb" memorial.
http://amfa11.com/wp/

No body in our industry has the corner market on quick negotiation timelines. Our pilots and flight attendants set a precedent with their last round of
negotiations that management refuses to follow with ours. There is no question who will fly and sky waitress our metal but there is industry wide fluctuation who maintains them. Rumor has it that Dallas heavy maintenance will perform more 12Y checks because other airlines outbid us for those MRO slots. That has perhaps caused alarm in Kelly's financial team to look for ways to keep maintenance costs in check by outsourcing to foreign MRO's and conning mechanics into believing if you didn't like the AIP/TA you rejected you sure won't like the one we're offering now.
As I reflect on the post-2003 years of turmoil at AA I can only chuckle at the words of a fellow mechanic who always proclaimed "I have two speeds, if you don't like the first one you sure won't like the second".
 
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