I agree, which is why I voted for the last one. This is the first contract AMFA has actually section 6'd for us, and at this rate, it'll be the last one for me at my age. A five year deal that turns into a 12 or more year fiasco, is ridiculous. Yeah, I know the agreement in principle wasn't stellar, but it wasn't bad in my opinon. I don't give two ****'s how they move the dollar signs around in their shell game, the bottom line is we have all lost the $$$ in our 401k's, and that is 7 years I cannot make up, no compound interest/dividends etc, while this Fn fiasco continues on. Someone posted IAM cards, are you Shitting me? We had Teamsters and are still working under a Teamster contract, and brought Amfa in, and now people think Iam is gonna make it alright? I am quite certain a majority of our chest pounders have never been shut out, turned away, only to go carry stupid picket sign. I for one have, and was a hell of a lot younger then, and in the end it was no gain. Worked well for NWA too, didn't it? This crap keeps up we're getting an arbitrator who's gonna make their own mind up and I can guarantee we will not like the result of that offer. Guys need to re-read that update by Tammi and look at the financial market, because things are not all rosy on the horizon coming, and we keep screwing around, we'll wish we would of taken last years deal. By the way, international outsource, WGAF? SWA is the highest outsourced airline of all the majors, and has been longer than even I've been here. Whether they send the crap to AAR, MCI, PAE, Salvador or China, as long as the crap is being done without airplanes falling out of the sky, you cannot stop this process of outsourcing. We have to keep what we have for lines but this doesn't affect that. We have more work that we have people as it is. The 16 hour thing, that will close to impossible to get past, you'll never get work done. How would a downline work out, pffffft, it wouldn't, and who would want to go. I have done so many damn triples though that even I will admit, 20-24 hours, your good for an oil service call, which is why most all the other carriers have canned this idea.