WN Mechanics seek mediation

[swamt]

By filing for an injunction or temporary restraining order now, it can prevent harm to future customers who would be buying tickets on these yet to be sold flights.
If AMFA waits, it sets up the company to get a judge to side with them to prevent the harm to those future customers.
Just ask yourself why is Delta still at Love Field?
Same reason.

I agree. And wasn't the pilots suit over the Max the exact same thing? They did the same before the Max ever arrived also.

 

[WNMECH]

Exactly. There doesn't have to be ETOP's language directly for the company to violate the contract. There is some other language that does cover it in the book. And yes, the co. did in fact ask for relief on this very exact issue. Why would they be asking for relief if they were not already restricted from doing so per the contract? I am glad the union is being pro active in the filings and grievances rather than waiting after the fact. And yes also to the pilots help in referencing information and support about this issue. It will help greatly having their full support with us on this issue.
I also like that AMFA National put out this memo. It is in direct relation to the co's memo they put out that they were not violating anything within our contract when they outsource the maint in Hawaii with current language. Also hopes this will help us at the table during nego's.
Per the Tax Reform numbers just released, Southwest corp. taxes will go from 35% down to 20%. That will be a HUGE increase in SWA's bottom line and will help with paying for our new contract as they can now afford an increase in our contract. No longer is the "cost neutral" contract required as the co. has been chanting.

I haven't seen any direct language in the contract to this point right now, but interpretations are different.
However, the medeiator can testify that this exact language is on the table in section 6 right now.

Doh!
Status Quo Baby, Status Quo!

 

[WeAAsles]

This link explains the lawsuit to protect ETOPs.

http://www.amfanational.org/?zone=/unionactive/view_article.cfm&HomeID=676468

Maybe this memo from AMFA National will get the thread back on topic.

The company asked for relief for ETOPs during negotiations, relief wasn't achieved so the status quo stands. The company cant unilaterally make additions to our contract for ETOPs while still in section 6.

Will let a judge decide. See you in court.

I’m sorry but it doesn’t appear to me that the Company asked for relief from language as much as instead they wished to incorporate language for outside the contiguous 48 States. AMFA has still not in this update shown the precice language that would be vilolated if the Company should proceed to fly to Hawaii.

Though I am glad that they at least now state if the function commences they will grieve it rather than immediately attempting to take it to court circumventing the internal proceedings.

Without argument of who I am or any of the emotional tirades that often come next, can anyone again clearly show me the language that SWA Management could be in violation of on this OPEN FORUM message board?

 

[sendmeupacrowsfoot]

This link explains the lawsuit to protect ETOPs.

http://www.amfanational.org/?zone=/unionactive/view_article.cfm&HomeID=676468

Maybe this memo from AMFA National will get the thread back on topic.

The company asked for relief for ETOPs during negotiations, relief wasn't achieved so the status quo stands. The company cant unilaterally make additions to our contract for ETOPs while still in section 6.

Will let a judge decide. See you in court.

Thanks for the link. 737 Driver and weaasles, you can go ahead and start eating your crow dinner. Ouch.

 

[WeAAsles]

I haven't seen any direct language in the contract to this point right now, but interpretations are different.
However, the medeiator can testify that this exact language is on the table in section 6 right now.

Doh!
Status Quo Baby, Status Quo!

NEW Language on the table does not an argument make or win against currently non existent language.

 

[WeAAsles]

Thanks for the link. 737 Driver and weaasles, you can go ahead and start eating your crow dinner. Ouch.

Read above your comment. No crow. I would absolutely and sincerely prefer your group has a leg to stand on, but even I can write fake news although I prefer not to.

 

[I'll have another]

Hope AMFA can pull it off. But, that's a tough stretch to get around Article 2, para. 3 (c) and (d).

 

[WeAAsles]

It's good to see our NC clarify their position on ETOPS. Indeed it may come down to a legal battle through the courts or arbitration but wouldn't an ETOPS contractor on a Hawaiian island have to begin maintenance on our aircraft before it became a violation, according to our NC? If the answer were yes it would be bold of SW to let it go to that point without resolution as it could result in cancellation of future flights if they lost their case.

Yes the supposed violation has to occur first. I do suspect that your contract issues will be resolved long before the issue becomes real anyway? (At least I really hope so)

 

[sendmeupacrowsfoot]

Read above your comment. No crow. I would absolutely and sincerely prefer your group has a leg to stand on, but even I can write fake news although I prefer not to.

Just admit you are on here posting without knowledge of what you are posting. In plain english: "A fool is known by his many words".

 

[WNMECH]

NEW Language on the table does not an argument make or win against currently non existent language.

There is more than one way to skin a cat. Stay tuned.

 

[WeAAsles]

Just admit you are on here posting without knowledge of what you are posting. In plain english: "A fool is known by his many words".

A TWU Fleet President at AA in NYC filed a grievance once that we were entitled to perform One World OAL work that came to AA leased gates.

That grievance was summarily denied as I knew it would be the second I read it.

Now of course you can believe what you want to believe, belittle or even attack me. But if it gets all the way (Grievance, Injunction, Lawsuit) and is denied all the way (It will be) then you can wipe the mud in your eye.

Shooting the messenger doesn’t change the message.

 

[WeAAsles]

There is more than one way to skin a cat. Stay tuned.

Seriously good luck. I really 100% mean that.

 

[Birdman]

Per the Tax Reform numbers just released, Southwest corp. taxes will go from 35% down to 20%. That will be a HUGE increase in SWA's bottom line and will help with paying for our new contract as they can now afford an increase in our contract. No longer is the "cost neutral" contract required as the co. has been chanting.

Even without legislative tax relief I never really understood the notion that a company making record profits, with similar future earning projections, would even suggest the necessity of a cost neutral contract. Most are requested in negotiations when a company sees current and future earnings depressed. I've not seen significant quarterly profit loses even with our two major unions settling contracts with large pay increases. Loses from disasters on the other hand, while unpredictable, are a fact of life.

 

[B737 driver]

Even without legislative tax relief I never really understood the notion that a company making record profits, with similar future earning projections, would even suggest the necessity of a cost neutral contract. Most are requested in negotiations when a company sees current and future earnings depressed. I've not seen significant quarterly profit loses even with our two major unions settling contracts with large pay increases. Loses from disasters on the other hand, while unpredictable, are a fact of life.

Even without legislative tax relief I never really understood the notion that a company making record profits, with similar future earning projections, would even suggest the necessity of a cost neutral contract. Most are requested in negotiations when a company sees current and future earnings depressed. I've not seen significant quarterly profit loses even with our two major unions settling contracts with large pay increases. Loses from disasters on the other hand, while unpredictable, are a fact of life.

Yes let's have intelligent conversation for once, I hope they can get the work, I just didn't see the language to support it. Sorry if I ticked alot of you off, just frustrated, alot of people I work with are. I will tone my rhetoric down.

 

[WeAAsles]

Yes let's have intelligent conversation for once, I hope they can get the work, I just didn't see the language to support it. Sorry if I ticked alot of you off, just frustrated, alot of people I work with are. I will tone my rhetoric down.

Here’s a comment to get you started on that intelligent conversation.

Every contract has a “management rights” clause. Usually that language states “The Company reserves the right”

If the contract doesn’t contain specific language stating that’s the union represented covered work, without the management rights clause than management has the right to do as they please in regard to the issue.