Winter Timetable...new Services

[s80dude]

BHM-ORD is in the cards, but BHM-MIA will be coming first.

AA's plan is to connect just about domestic every station to Dallas, Chicago, and Miami, where it makes logical sense (therefore you won't be seeing MIA-RNO or DFW-SBA, but you will be seeing ORD-GSO and MIA-MKE).

[post="283684"][/post]​

But we are seeing DFW-SBA....

26A/DFW/SBA/25JUL

AS OF 25JUL/2250
NONSTOPS
DEPARTS ARRIVES
FLT TIME GATE TIME GATE EQUIP DHD OPEX W PAX

3493 1904* B3 2006* CRJ E7 67
END OF LISTING



p.s. any truth to the rumor that mainline is returning to DFW-GSO?

 

[s80dude]

ORD-DEL is now in the system.

So is LAX-SAT 1x per day -- considering SAT is the second largest city in Texas, it's about time they got some new point to point service.

[post="283597"][/post]​

looks like first is almost sold out for the inaugural! or are those pre-reserved for dignitaries/executives?

VIL292/15NOVORD«
292 ORD FACTS
CL AC AU SA SS
F 16 16 4 12
C 35 35 13 22
Y 194 202 198 4
DEL

 

[MAH4546]

But we are seeing DFW-SBA....

26A/DFW/SBA/25JUL

AS OF 25JUL/2250
NONSTOPS
DEPARTS ARRIVES
FLT TIME GATE TIME GATE EQUIP DHD OPEX W PAX

3493 1904* B3 2006* CRJ E7 67
END OF LISTING



p.s. any truth to the rumor that mainline is returning to DFW-GSO?

[post="283981"][/post]​

Yes, we are. I'm sorry, I meant to say ORD-SBA when I was typing that. DFW-GSO gets mainline back on 22 August, as does ORD-OMA.

 

[s80dude]

read this on another BB...

AA moves some flights to AA Eagle

American Airlines will move a number of flights from mailine
operation to American Eagle starting on October 30th as follows :

From Chicago O'Hare hub to :
Baltimore = from 4 MD80s to 2 MD80s & 2 CRJ700s
Raleigh = from 5 MD80s to 3 MD80, 2 ERJ140s & 1 ERJ145
Tulsa = from 4 MD80s to 3 MD80s & 1 ERJ140

From Dallas Ft Worth hub to :
Chicago MDW = from 5 MD80s to 3 MD80s & 2 CRJ700
Pittsburgh = from 5 MD80s to 3 MD80s and 1 CRJ700

On the St Louis to Baltimore route AA will switch from 2 MD80s and 1
ERJ140 to 3 ERJ140 flights operated by American Connection


I am not suprised about MDW. I fly that alot and people are always talking about how cheap the tickets are.... I guess the yields must be really low.

 

[MAH4546]

Three daily St. Louis-Houston Hobby flights start 30Oct05, AmericanConnection ERJs.

 

[Corinth2103]

Second? According to the 2000 census (which are the numbers that count when money is being distributed), the city of Dallas is still about 40-45,000 larger than the city of San Antonio. And, the SMSA for SA couldn't be larger. The Dallas SMSA is larger than the Houston SMSA. Dallas and Ft. Worth are counted together in one SMSA. Houston doesn't even get to include Galveston in its SMSA.

[post="283660"][/post]​

Houston does get to include Galveston in its MSA as of 2003. MSA is the term now used in place of SMSA.

http://www.houston.org/blackfenders/02CW001.pdf

 

[Corinth2103]

Found it.... Also of note where Dallas's MSMA is concerned -- eight of the ten largest cities within the Dallas MSMA actually went down in population from 2003 to 2004, so growth there has been flat to negative.

[post="283791"][/post]​

The Dallas/Ft Worth/Arlington MSA (the official name) hasn't lost population and neither have eight of the ten largest cities in the MSA. The area has been adding about 100,000 new residents every year which indicates anything but flat to negative growth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallas_Fort_Worth_Metroplex

 

[Corinth2103]

Mark..have you heard anything concerning the rumor that ZRH will be dropped in favor of adding MAD out of DFW again?


Tim

 

[MAH4546]

Mark..have you heard anything concerning the rumor that ZRH will be dropped in favor of adding MAD out of DFW again?
Tim

[post="286242"][/post]​

No, not at all. However, Dallas-Brussels is being looked at, but Miami/Boston-Brussels are getting more attention.

If Dallas-Zurich is dropped, the word is it will be replaced by Chicago-Zurich or Miami-Zurich, not another Dallas-Europe flight.

 

[eolesen]

The Dallas/Ft Worth/Arlington MSA (the official name) hasn't lost population and neither have eight of the ten largest cities in the MSA. The area has been adding about 100,000 new residents every year which indicates anything but flat to negative growth.

[post="286237"][/post]​

If you're looking at the MSA, sure it's growing, but without having the numbers in front of me, I'll guess that at least 90% of that growth is in Tarrant County, Collin County, and Denton County.

Looking thru the data I do have, Irving, Coppell, Richardson, Farmers Branch, Highland Park, Duncanville, and Garland all shrank based on 2003 vs. 2004 estimates. I don't have time to break it down further tonight, but I'll see what I can get later this week.....

 

[Corinth2103]

If Dallas-Zurich is dropped, the word is it will be replaced by Chicago-Zurich or Miami-Zurich, not another Dallas-Europe flight.

[post="286447"][/post]​

I had heard that Chicago-Zurich was being eyed but it was always mentioned that if Zurich leaves DFW, another European flight would replace it..either Brussels or Madrid. Madrid is always full out of Miami and it was always full out of DFW before we lost it in the mid 90's. Here's hoping that it comes back some time.

Tim

 

[Corinth2103]

If you're looking at the MSA, sure it's growing, but without having the numbers in front of me, I'll guess that at least 90% of that growth is in Tarrant County, Collin County, and Denton County.

Looking thru the data I do have, Irving, Coppell, Richardson, Farmers Branch, Highland Park, Duncanville, and Garland all shrank based on 2003 vs. 2004 estimates. I don't have time to break it down further tonight, but I'll see what I can get later this week.....

[post="286499"][/post]​

A lot of the growth in the MSA is occurring in the counties where there is a lot of empty developable land...Tarrant, Denton, Collin, Ellis...as opposed to Dallas County where there's not as much developable land anymore. Even still, 2005 estimates still show Dallas County(where most of the suburbs you mentioned reside) growing from 2.218 million in 2000 to 2.330 million today..more than 100,000 new folks in five years which still wouldn't be called flat to negative growth. Most of those suburbs are now land-locked and have really no further room for substantial growth which is slowing down population estimates, especially for Highland Park, Farmers Branch, and Richardson. But you are right that the counties you mentioned are booming and the Ft Worth's, Frisco's, McKinney's and Denton's will continue to grow ever northward, feasibly marching towards the Oklahoma state line!!

Okay, my urban planning instructor in college would be proud but that's enough hijacking of this airline message board for me...

Tim

 

[eolesen]

A lot of the growth in the MSA is occurring in the counties where there is a lot of empty developable land...Tarrant, Denton, Collin, Ellis...as opposed to Dallas County where there's not as much developable land anymore. Even still, 2005 estimates still show Dallas County(where most of the suburbs you mentioned reside) growing from 2.218 million in 2000 to 2.330 million today..more than 100,000 new folks in five years which still wouldn't be called flat to negative growth.

[post="286620"][/post]​

Not sure what estimates you're looking at, Tim.... I show the 5yr shift for Dallas only being about 69,000:

Location                 2000Est    2004Est   5 Year Change
Collin County    Texas    500124     627938   127814 20%
Dallas County    Texas   2225340    2294706    69366  3%
Denton County    Texas    438822     530597    91775 17%
Parker County    Texas     89285     100336    11051 11%
Rockwall County  Texas     43864      58260    14396 24%
Tarrant County   Texas   1454429    1588088   133659  8%

Last observation on this -- One main reason Dallas County grew was because of its high birth rate.... Take out births and add back deaths (OK, not totally realistic), and you do get a much different view:

Location         2001E    2004E    4 Year Chg     Neutralized	
Collin County     537823   627938   90115   17%   61079  11%
Dallas County    2261908  2294706   32798    1%  -84008  -4%
Denton County     463553   530597   67044   14%   42366   9%
Parker County      92024   100336    8312    9%    6671   7%
Rockwall County    47201    58260   11059   23%    9358  20%
Tarrant County   1488899  1588088   99189    7%   31256   2%

Granted, none of this has to do with winter services... but it might worth considering with all the Wright Amendment debate -- Parker, Collin, Denton, and Tarrant Counties benefit from having decent access to DFW. So why are we fighting this so damn hard?...

 

[MAH4546]

I had heard that Chicago-Zurich was being eyed but it was always mentioned that if Zurich leaves DFW, another European flight would replace it..either Brussels or Madrid. Madrid is always full out of Miami and it was always full out of DFW before we lost it in the mid 90's. Here's hoping that it comes back some time.

Tim

[post="286597"][/post]​

DFW-BRU is possible, but I wouldn't expect DFW-MAD. The yield is horrendous. Yield to Spain in general is not that great outside of Miami and NYC. Too much of a touristy market, and too much of Spain's traffic come from the East Coast to make DFW-MAD profitable.

When Sabena flew DFW-BRU, the financial performance of the route was horrendous, but I think AA could do better.

Unfortunately for DFW, when AA can fly these routes from JFK/MIA/ORD and catch substational O&D and stronger yields, it makes little sense to fly the routes from Dallas.

 

[MiAAmi]

Columbus loses 2 flights this fall. 1 from CMH-BOS with 2 remaining. Also CMH-LGA goes down to 6 from our current 7