lets see nelson. you have attacked the compensation, insurance, full time commitment letter, work rules,and job protection and couldnt get any traction with us UAL workers now your attacking the Management Greivance Clause. hey STUPID it has been in the contract for years.
Why Tim Nelson is Dangerous to IAM-represented employees at United Airlines
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so i see nelson the non CPA has done his own accounting sheet. Tell me timmy who made it up for you? Boss Hogg from the dukes of hazard. you have more qualifiers than the former soviet swimming team. I question your integrety your sheet is just like its author full of lies.
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you seem to be hell-bent on getting in touch with Mr. Nelson.
You might want to consider that UA did not have a very good day today.
Their financial numbers just plain stunk.
They underperformed DL, their closest peer on revenue by a very healthy margin with an 8% drop in yield on their key Asian routes. UA has the highest unit costs in the US, 10% more than DL and even worse against WN.
Their execs blamed their performance in part on weak performance in the NYC transcons...despite the fact that UA trashed the market by throwing in huge increases in capacity in order to try to get rid of Virgin America.
They said their revenue management systems were not properly set up to forecast demand so they left hundreds of millions of dollars of revenue on the table.
They flew airplanes in and out of the wrong hubs because they didn't have the right maintenance processes in place.
This WAS the world's largest airline and yet their earnings conference call sounded like the excuses of a 16 year old who has been caught time and time trying to justify their repeated underperformance relative to Wall Street expectations.
And don't miss the little sentence in the earnings release that "every hub has to justify its existence every day... and that is all I have to say about the matter."
UA's continued poor financial performance only makes it that much harder for either side of labor to honestly believe that UA labor can win in the long term.
You might want to consider that UA did not have a very good day today.
Their financial numbers just plain stunk.
They underperformed DL, their closest peer on revenue by a very healthy margin with an 8% drop in yield on their key Asian routes. UA has the highest unit costs in the US, 10% more than DL and even worse against WN.
Their execs blamed their performance in part on weak performance in the NYC transcons...despite the fact that UA trashed the market by throwing in huge increases in capacity in order to try to get rid of Virgin America.
They said their revenue management systems were not properly set up to forecast demand so they left hundreds of millions of dollars of revenue on the table.
They flew airplanes in and out of the wrong hubs because they didn't have the right maintenance processes in place.
This WAS the world's largest airline and yet their earnings conference call sounded like the excuses of a 16 year old who has been caught time and time trying to justify their repeated underperformance relative to Wall Street expectations.
And don't miss the little sentence in the earnings release that "every hub has to justify its existence every day... and that is all I have to say about the matter."
UA's continued poor financial performance only makes it that much harder for either side of labor to honestly believe that UA labor can win in the long term.
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if I see him, I will let him know... but honestly, UA labor has some serious challenges ahead of it and I do have to acknowledge that Tim Nelson recognizes that there are a lot of jobs potentially at risk.
Analysts are noting that UA's network which so many have called superior to everyone else's is highly competitive as I have noted which means that UA has little pricing or capacity control. And that reality means that UA is not able to deliver the merger synergies it promised and it is trailing its peers including DL which have "inferior hubs" in places like ATL, DTW, and MSP and yet DL is generating revenue that far exceeds what UA is delivering.
Add in that UA has the highest costs in the industry and they continue to rise at a much faster rate because UA has dragged its feet to bring the CO and UA sides together under new contracts.
UA has structural problems which they haven't begun to address and UA labor is in the crosshairs of a mgmt. that has yet to figure out how to run an airline the size of UA.
I truly feel sorry for UA people but it is going to be a very rough ride.
I would have to say given all of the uncertainty with UA's future and its strategies, anyone at UA should be looking for the best security and not necessarily the fastest way to gain a buck.
Analysts are noting that UA's network which so many have called superior to everyone else's is highly competitive as I have noted which means that UA has little pricing or capacity control. And that reality means that UA is not able to deliver the merger synergies it promised and it is trailing its peers including DL which have "inferior hubs" in places like ATL, DTW, and MSP and yet DL is generating revenue that far exceeds what UA is delivering.
Add in that UA has the highest costs in the industry and they continue to rise at a much faster rate because UA has dragged its feet to bring the CO and UA sides together under new contracts.
UA has structural problems which they haven't begun to address and UA labor is in the crosshairs of a mgmt. that has yet to figure out how to run an airline the size of UA.
I truly feel sorry for UA people but it is going to be a very rough ride.
I would have to say given all of the uncertainty with UA's future and its strategies, anyone at UA should be looking for the best security and not necessarily the fastest way to gain a buck.
WT.
You may be right.
A lot of seen this coming since day one. This problem was in the making because management (and all of it's top heavy VP's) did not do one fundamental thing: to get labor on board. In your DL merger, the first thing to do was to get the pm NW and pm DL pilots on board first. Then once the representational elections was done, all of the labor was in line. This management dragged it's ass. That should have been priority number one, since sUA's labor has been working under a BK contracts. They knew the labor issue would be toxic. But no, they waited and waited and ran TWO separate airlines instead of trying to get the contracts done earlier. FA's are not flying together; we still are working seperate. sCO and sUA. Almost three years and still not together?? They took so long just to get the pilots on (and gave them a large raise to match what DL gave their pilots), they forgot about everyone else. Of course costs were going to rise because of all of the new contracts, but the SHARES migration problems started the downward slide. All to save a buck. Add the grounding of the 787. The losing of cargo customers due to the outsourcing. The fare war with VX. But it's costing much more. They've also took the worst of both airlines too. It all starts from the top. Glenn (who was on his way out with is golden parachute) nor Jeff is not the right people to run this airline. It should have been someone else well respected and has the acumen to do the job. This management does not know how to run an airline. Haven't Jeff learned anything form Gordon? That answer is a resounding NO!
With this news, you will have people voting Yes on this deal.
To wreck this airline is something only FLIBS can do....... He'd be proud.
I agree with your last sentence. TA2 when ratified will protect the jobs of 96% of the employees and for the first time ever secure uax work currently performed by UA employees.
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you all can fight among yourselves about which alternative is the best.
I am here to tell you that UA's future will be very rocky and its hub strategies are far from clear.
You need to do all possible to protect your own financial futures.
here is a good summary....
http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2013/10/24/united-continental-is-the-brooklyn-dodgers-of-the.aspx
I am here to tell you that UA's future will be very rocky and its hub strategies are far from clear.
You need to do all possible to protect your own financial futures.
here is a good summary....
http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2013/10/24/united-continental-is-the-brooklyn-dodgers-of-the.aspx
Tim Nelson
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Nelson is a cyber bully ........... worse than a ass rash
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Really?
He's not the one I see on here posting negative comments nonstop.
Bully? Thy name is Jetjob...
BTW, if you really are the "communication coordinator" for 141, you have some work to do on your skill set.
He's not the one I see on here posting negative comments nonstop.
Bully? Thy name is Jetjob...
BTW, if you really are the "communication coordinator" for 141, you have some work to do on your skill set.
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