Why there will never be a T.A.

[PIEDMONT784]

My suggestion to all is to drop the "US and Them" mentality. The mindset should be only an "US" perspective. Catering is the perfect example -- Never has the company had a more opportune time to outsource it. They can argue they never had it at LAA, and convince the TWU side to soften on it.

The reality is "they" (the combined company) HAS had catering since the 80's!
Convincing the association to give up work that has existed for 40 years would be a big feather in their hat. It would also be a lot of ammunition for guys like Nelson to further trash, and divide the Union(s)!

>SPIT<

 

[Racer X]

Don't think the language that concerns us is a detriment to anyone else or at least not to the extent it may affect MIA simply because of the sheer number of PTers in the station. That language is a mechanism used to limit the number of PTers that can currently swell to several hundred more than the current numbers.

Also, the language was TA'd while other TWU representatives we able to voice their points of view before it was TA'd, MIA didn't.

Ok , by this...I thought you were saying PT was TA’d

 

[WeAAsles]

Ok , by this...I thought you were saying PT was TA’d

So if any TA consists of a cap lowering the overall or perhaps even individual Stations PT percentage that could completely nullify any concerns NYer has for his city.

 

[WeAAsles]

Well. There is no vote unless the Director's and Executive Committee agree and since they're the ones that are actually negotiating then there is nothing to worry about. Right?

You’ll get a say whether or not something is sent out to us for a vote. That’s a part of the original Association agreement.

I just hope the Association puts out publicly how each AGC and President voted although I honestly doubt they will?

 

[AANOTOK]

My concern is your perceived position on the issues that concern me. I am thankful the 5 IAM NC members have, as I understand, veto power.
I look at them like the straps on a gurney. They are there to protect you from harming yourself, and others.

That's ridiculous. I have every right to vote on what I think is beneficial without the NC standing in my way. So if the NC did not veto, it passed, your of the opinion that the majority just harmed themselves and the minority as well. Isn't that the way it works, you vote, majority wins and you move on until the next contract is negotiated. Been that way for the past 35 years.

 

[AANOTOK]

You’ll get a say whether or not something is sent out to us for a vote. That’s a part of the original Association agreement.

I just hope the Association puts out publicly how each AGC and President voted although I honestly doubt they will?

This is the Association, anything is possible...

 

[AANOTOK]

It is just a word, no more, no less. It has a meaning. Doesn't matter how you color it, it still provides the same function.
And, to be clear, I won't vote for any job losses, either side. In the end, it should be all our work whether you elect to perform those jobs or not.

Then it's real simple. You don't need the ridiculous veto power that you cherish. If you are in the majority, you vote no, it fails and AA regroups.

 

[AANOTOK]

Being from LAA in DFW, I have not heard anyone say any bad remarks about LUS people. It would be pretty ignorant to blame other workers for the situation. As for the insurance, most LAA people consider that a real long shot since all other work groups are in the LAA plan. Frankly, I don't blame the IAM for holding out as the TWU would do the same. I don't have a problem with it at all as it's just business. The bankruptcy had nothing to do with US Air. Maybe there are some people from other stations putting blame where it shouldn't be but I've not heard it at DFW. Lots of negative talk about the TWU, but not LUS people.

I would say that pretty much clarifies it.

 

[WeAAsles]

This is the Association, anything is possible...

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https://www.gofundme.com/9wqx2-eliminate-the-association

 

[WeAAsles]

Then it's real simple. You don't need the ridiculous veto power that you cherish. If you are in the majority, you vote no, it fails and AA regroups.

If a TA is released to us by the Leaders (All of them) within the Association and it passes that should be accepted. And if it fails that too should be accepted.

Problem is many people never accept the outcome because it wasn’t what “they” wanted.

 

[AANOTOK]

You are exactly right! "IF" there had been an actual representation election, and no association were ever formed, the company and the digital trolls here would most certainly have exploited these circumstances. They would have used time, and financial resource consuming tactics, that would have resulted in a WEAKER... if ANY representation in the end!

The company is smart enough to use BK, and mergers to wreak havoc on labor groups.
Labor groups must use similar alliance tactics if they plan to exist. That is "IF" the NRTWA doesn't kill them first!

>SPIT<

The company has you horrified. You act as though anyone who see's something differently than you has been brainwashed by the company. "Digital Trolls" WTF, why don't you give the Association more credit than that. You're a staunch supporter, trust them, give them a chance.
Don't be so damn scared of the company!

 

[AANOTOK]

My suggestion to all is to drop the "US and Them" mentality. The mindset should be only an "US" perspective. Catering is the perfect example -- Never has the company had a more opportune time to outsource it. They can argue they never had it at LAA, and convince the TWU side to soften on it.

The reality is "they" (the combined company) HAS had catering since the 80's!
Convincing the association to give up work that has existed for 40 years would be a big feather in their hat. It would also be a lot of ammunition for guys like Nelson to further trash, and divide the Union(s)!

>SPIT<

Problem is you come on here causing more division than the company...always labeling people who disagree. always taking shots at certain individuals. Maybe clean your house first then worry about the neighborhood.

 

[Talos]

I guess they all talk Puppies and Rainbows about the Company then huh?

It's just business for the company as well. It might be they don't care if they get a deal. LAA TWU has never done a deal with this mgmt group so I've not heard opinions of these people. Every group is out for the best deal they can get. I don't see any deal on the horizon, and I would love to be proven wrong, but business is business. This works in the IAM's favor which at least some people get a good deal for awhile. As for the TWU, looks like they got the short end of the stick.

 

[Racer X]

You’ll get a say whether or not something is sent out to us for a vote. That’s a part of the original Association agreement.

I just hope the Association puts out publicly how each AGC and President voted although I honestly doubt they will?

I don’t see that happening, in particular if something comes out to be ratified.
Let’s say for example it is a 7-5 vote to bring it to the members....walking out of that vote the NC should want to show unity.
IMO the biggest issue with a vote by the NC (fleet) will be that on the TWU side ...due to their structure....the FLEET NC has changed many times. With those changes, the newly added members of the committee will not have the knowledge of what took place between the IAM/TWU to reach many of the decisions on what was TA’d the first 14 months of talks. Most were not present 6 months prior to that when the Committees were first formed and formulated the comprehensive proposal in dec 15.
TWU presidents from Bos, Lax are only ones still there from beginning. All others just joined in March 2018. So when casting a vote, how will they be able to do it objectively?
On the IAM side....all original 6 are still there.

 

[NYer]

I don’t see that happening, in particular if something comes out to be ratified.
Let’s say for example it is a 7-5 vote to bring it to the members....walking out of that vote the NC should want to show unity.
IMO the biggest issue with a vote by the NC (fleet) will be that on the TWU side ...due to their structure....the FLEET NC has changed many times. With those changes, the newly added members of the committee will not have the knowledge of what took place between the IAM/TWU to reach many of the decisions on what was TA’d the first 14 months of talks. Most were not present 6 months prior to that when the Committees were first formed and formulated the comprehensive proposal in dec 15.
TWU presidents from Bos, Lax are only ones still there from beginning. All others just joined in March 2018. So when casting a vote, how will they be able to do it objectively?
On the IAM side....all original 6 are still there.

That's an issue that's been brought up many times and there should have been more consistency in the make-up of the TWU NC. The Association has the ability to do that by appointing their participants. Unfortunately, they made it a vote at the beginning of the process which made it difficult to change course for the sake of consistency.

It seems the TWU Fleet NC is now there as to abide by the technicality of having the current NC vote on whether something comes back or not. The vote won't be much of an issue since it is the Directors and Executive Committee doing the actual talks. If something comes back, their recommendation will weigh heavily on how the NC votes.