Why there will never be a T.A.

[ALUS78]

W and Racer X don't agree with your concern about having the word "will" in a contract.

Just going by history I believe they said they could farm out Baggage service and.....

 

[WeAAsles]

I agree. If you followed the entire debate....I stated similar a bit earlier about knowing that when the company has the ability to do something....they usually exercise that right.

And if the “When and where so directed” is left in for Lavs and Water here in MIA I suspect Eulen America will be painting their weird Owl’s on the side of our former trucks and dumping crap at the back for me to smell in less than 6 Months past ratification.

 

[NYer]

I have read it several times now....Again nowhere does it say “ will outsource” I agree with them having the ability to do it, but I disagree it says they WILL do it....
I have also stated that when the company has the right to do something....they usually do. So I see where that could cause some concern.
But I’m crossing over and mixing discussions here, by what you have stated earlier about the company publicly stating something and then not being able to change that, It stands to reason that when the company publicly stated the 40 stations are ours ( just never stated what work we would be doing in those 40) that would mean that those 4 cities are protected now. Because that now can’t be changed. Correct?

I didn't mean the airline couldn't change something they publicly released, but the that the Association negotiators wouldn't be able to change something in exchange for something else because of the Member backlash it could cause.

In this case, changing anything they released like the holidays, for example, in order to move the pieces within the comprehensive proposal to try and modify the airline position within scope or the medical while in Section 6.

 

[WeAAsles]

I have read it several times now....Again nowhere does it say “ will outsource” I agree with them having the ability to do it, but I disagree it says they WILL do it....
I have also stated that when the company has the right to do something....they usually do. So I see where that could cause some concern.
But I’m crossing over and mixing discussions here, by what you have stated earlier about the company publicly stating something and then not being able to change that, It stands to reason that when the company publicly stated the 40 stations are ours ( just never stated what work we would be doing in those 40) that would mean that those 4 cities are protected now. Because that now can’t be changed. Correct?

Although I see your debate response as airtight if you can get NYer to agree with you I owe you a full night of Beer.

BTW he was Captain of his debate team back in High School so he really loves to mix it up even when he is completely incorrect.

 

[ALUS78]

And if the “When and where so directed” is left in for Lavs and Water here in MIA I suspect Eulen America will be painting their weird Owl’s on the side of our former trucks and dumping crap at the back for me to smell in less than 6 Months past ratification.

You betcha.Ive seen jobs get outsourced and idiots actually training the people taking their jobs

 

[Racer X]

W and Racer X don't agree with your concern about having the word "will" in a contract.

Please don’t speak for me. I have Been very Clear.
The debate was where YOU STATED it says WILL IMPLEMENT or WILL OUTSOURCE.
You have yet to produce that language. Instead, you took other language and stated that it means WILL implement or WILL outsource.
Just to reiterate....I believe when the company is given the ABILITY in the CBA to do something, it generally happens. I also believe that your language gives them that ability.
Until you can produce the language that you claim is in your CBA, I remain committed to my statement.

 

[WeAAsles]

I didn't mean the airline couldn't change something they publicly released, but the that the Association negotiators wouldn't be able to change something in exchange for something else because of the Member backlash it could cause.

In this case, changing anything they released like the holidays, for example, in order to move the pieces within the comprehensive proposal to try and modify the airline position within scope or the medical while in Section 6.

I don’t recall Racer proposing the Company modify their currently public positions downward in exchange for any other items in other places?

The focus word being “downward”

 

[Racer X]

There is nothing to protect the IAM medical. It will be a casualty to the merger.

You state that like it’s an absolute. Is that set in concrete? Is that your position if given the opportunity to vote on? Or is it just your opinion?

 

[WeAAsles]

You betcha.Ive seen jobs get outsourced and idiots actually training the people taking their jobs

The Freight agents at LAA unfortunately and sadly had basically no choice not to do so or they would not receive severance and the Conpany would fight any unisurance claims.

Heard recently from someone that most were hired back as stay at home Call Agents. I was glad to hear that.

 

[AANOTOK]

I was informed by your Negotiators that the RR system was never used at LUS and as such provided a fairly easy argument for it to be struck from that 2014 deal.

Those Negotiators can never be trusted again...lol

 

[ALUS78]

The Freight agents at LAA unfortunately and sadly had basically no choice not to do so or they would not receive severance and the Conpany would fight any unisurance claims.

Heard recently from someone that most were hired back as stay at home Call Agents. I was glad to hear that.

I actually met one at a gas pump she chewed my ear off over an hour she asked for my number I gave her Bobs

 

[WeAAsles]

Those Negotiators can never be trusted again...lol

Alright you got a chuckle out of me. Could have sworn I was told they were never used but more than likely I’m wrong and was told they weren’t using them at the moment.

 

[ALUS78]

Those Negotiators can never be trusted again...lol

Especially if they haven't work for the company in 20 years and arecatering now

 

[Kev3188]

It was in US’ book, and is still in HA’s.

 

[NYer]

Please don’t speak for me. I have Been very Clear.
The debate was where YOU STATED it says WILL IMPLEMENT or WILL OUTSOURCE.
You have yet to produce that language. Instead, you took other language and stated that it means WILL implement or WILL outsource.
Just to reiterate....I believe when the company is given the ABILITY in the CBA to do something, it generally happens. I also believe that your language gives them that ability.
Until you can produce the language that you claim is in your CBA, I remain committed to my statement.

Go back a re-read. My response was for Al who believes the word "will" means its a certainty. I then shared the language which says "will" although I don't bieve they'll actually do it but could use the possibility to their advantage.