Why no contract from the Association?

[Bob Owens]

"If you make up the 1 or 2 days you CS off from the week before you will not get those contributal hours back."

That really sucks, so you can only go down with the IAMNPF, no matter how many hours per year you work. You could work the full 2080 hours but still end up with only a fraction of what have earned .

This could only make the IAMNPF that much more cheaper than even our current 401K match never mind a Contribution like the Pilots and Flight Attendants have. Obviously anyone who CS on a regular basis is much much better off with a 401K match than the IAMNPF.

Let me remind you all, putting us in the IAMNPF is still the objective of the Association, both parties signed off on that, and its still there for over 4 years now. They will be counting on the fact that we would put getting improvements to Holidays, sick time and Vacation now ahead of our retirement and it will likely be left for last in Negotiations.

 

[Bob Owens]

After JFSC don't expect too much sympathy Bob.

The fact is the IAMNPF is a prime example of greed. It is a bunch of people hoping to benefit from a scam they know is destined to self destruct. As long as someone else pays the penalty they don't care.

I could really care less if senior people have to fund the pensions for those younger because the fact is the game plan was to screw the younger crowd over the whole time. Just like when senior people voted in JFSC.

Not so fun when the knife cuts the other way is it?

Hopefully LAA and new hires won't have to deal with the IAMNPF.

Just another example of a failed socialist experiment.

What is JFSC?

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

What is JFSC?

Junior Fleet Service Clerk.

Mechanics had a Junior Mechanic if I recall correctly.

Probably screwed them over just like JFSC did for Fleet.

 

[Bob Owens]

Mechanics got rid of Junior Mechanics but ended up with OSMs, much worse. JFSC and OSM are simply B-scales. 2nd class members, who do the same work but locked into lower pay scales. We got those things because our ATD was being bribed by AA management. In return for giving the company everything, anything, the company wanted they got A5 travel passes AND their Pension from AA was based on what the Union reported to them instead of what they would have earned as a mechanic or Dispatcher. This is huge. Its also why the TWU did an about face on the Pension in Bankruptcy Negotiations. In the opening days the lawyer they hired told us, "They are going to dump your pensions in the PBGC but that's OK because it will cover most of the ask and with the amount of money the PBGC will be getting from AA you guys wont lose a thing because you all fall below the Maximum PBGC payout". A few days later they said we have to get a freeze instead because "some members" will be affected. Those members were International ATD members whose Pensions were not based on $60,000 a year like mechanics but as much as $220,000 as the President of the TWU. They would have seen their pension checks from AA capped at $54000, I'm looking at around $20,000, Don Videtich and Bobby Gless, both mechanics with less years than me, I estimate will get around $75k a year from American (I estimate Little gets over $100k from AA, he could have easily lost $1million in pension payments had the plan been put in the PBGC, still he would have received double what most of us will)and a similar amount from the TWU. We paid the difference with other concessions that were given to meet the ask. It would have been worse if not for the Pilots. (All of the Pilots would have been affected by the PBGC cap and the Pilots could not otherwise meet the ask with a frozen pension so adjustments to the ask were made to all groups)

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Mechanics got rid of Junior Mechanics but ended up with OSMs, much worse. JFSC and OSM are simply B-scales. 2nd class members, who do the same work but locked into lower pay scales.

Same work? Not really. Not with the "entitled seniority" crowd at TULE anyway.

Let's be honest Bob, the mechanics voted in that PoS TA because they got a carrot. Same for Fleet. What did they offer? A 5 and 5 deal? That was before my time so I don't know what the carrot was but they offered them something.

We got those things because our ATD was being bribed by AA management.

No.

We got those things because of the same reason LUS has the IAMNPF. Because you had a bunch of greedy people that saw a benefit while kicking the cost down the road for someone else to pay.

 

[Dog Wonder]

Get rehired at AA?

 

[WeAAsles]

Same work? Not really. Not with the "entitled seniority" crowd at TULE anyway.

Let's be honest Bob, the mechanics voted in that PoS TA because they got a carrot. Same for Fleet. What did they offer? A 5 and 5 deal? That was before my time so I don't know what the carrot was but they offered them something.No.

We got those things because of the same reason LUS has the IAMNPF. Because you had a bunch of greedy people that saw a benefit while kicking the cost down the road for someone else to pay.

What time does your shift start?

207 S Memorial Drive
Tulsa Ok, 74112

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Get rehired at AA?

No. I have no wish to return to AA at this time.

If I did it would be on the company side.

I have had my fill of UNION propaganda for one lifetime.

Sincerely,
An ex JFSC

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

What time does your shift start?

207 S Memorial Drive
Tulsa Ok, 74112

You really do have an issue with Walmart don't you.

Did you get an STD while having a "friendly encounter" in the Walmart bathroom or something?

Seriously what is it with you and Walmart? That is a genuine question.

 

[Bob Owens]

Same work? Not really. Not with the "entitled seniority" crowd at TULE anyway.

Let's be honest Bob, the mechanics voted in that PoS TA because they got a carrot. Same for Fleet. What did they offer? A 5 and 5 deal? That was before my time so I don't know what the carrot was but they offered them something.No.

We got those things because of the same reason LUS has the IAMNPF. Because you had a bunch of greedy people that saw a benefit while kicking the cost down the road for someone else to pay.

Ok then explain how we ended up with less vacation and Holidays than Non-union workers at AA. What Union leadership would ever bring stuff like that back unless they were on the take?

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Ok then explain how we ended up with less vacation and Holidays than Non-union workers at AA. What Union leadership would ever bring stuff like that back unless they were on the take?

The short answer is I don't care what they brought back Bob. I care what the membership accepted. I care that they saddled me with a B pay scale because they were offered some perk to do so. There is no UNITY in the TWU.

The long answer is the loss of holidays and vacation have NOTHING to do with the JFSC program.

Not as far as I know anyway.

The only loss of vacation and holidays that I know of is because a bunch of cowards were afraid of losing their pensions due to bankruptcy so agreed to concessions. The only thing that did was allow the company to take a double dip in the concession pool. Even after all that the company took bankruptcy and tried to dump their pension off on the PBGC anyway.

Why are you even bringing up loss of vacation and holidays Bob when I was talking about the B Scale senior people saddled the juniors with.

Was that a weak attempt at deflection?

You still never said what the senior FSC's got for accepting that TA.

What did the mechanics get for accepting the Junior Mechanic program?

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

On a side note it is good to see you back on here.

Welcome back.

 

[WeAAsles]

 

[swamt]

On a side note it is good to see you back on here.

Welcome back.

Yes welcome back Bob. He does have good input.

 

[1AA]

That was not supposed to be taken seriously. I was kidding.

That was supposed to be a tongue in cheek parody of the greed that is the IAMNPF.

Contribute a little then expect junior people to fund your retirement (Ponzi).

There us nothing about the iampf that we should NOT take serious. Nothing to joke about when invloves my retirement. I was hired by AA under the TWU with a AA pension. Now the IAM walks in the door under the association and wants to force me into their scam plan without a say.