Why Isn't Restructured Us Airways Taking Off?

To take a stab at answering the question that is the topic of this thread (Why Isn't Restructured Us Airways Taking Off?) I'll submit this...

US Airways has NOT restructured. Sure, the employee contracts have changed but there is some change in contracts every time they are renotiated. This is not restructuring. Sure, the vendors have accepted changes in their contracts, but that is not restructuring. Sure, we're adding RJ's but they are just a different type of airplane and airlines have added new aircraft types and parked others since their inception so that is not restructering.

Restructuring is changing the way we operate our business. So what has changed about the way we do business? I would submit that very little has changed. We still primarily operate an old-style hub & spoke system.

For argument's sake, let's suppose that Dave is able to achieve another $300 million a year in cost savings from the employees. Add in the (up to) $300 million a year in "other" cost savings that he has mentioned before. That's $600 million a year or $150 million a quarter, or just over an 8% reduction in costs using 3rd quarter 03 numbers. That equates to a reduction in CASM of less than 0.8 cents, again using 3rd quarter numbers.

Now look at the possibilities of just one true restructuring inititive - rolling (or depeaking) hubs. An independent study found that AMR used 5 less aircraft and 4 less gates at ORD by going to a rolling hub concept. The number of flights stayed the same at 333 per day, or roughly the same as PHL and CLT. Going to rolling hubs at both these airports should theoretically allow us to redeploy 10 aircraft to other uses - point to point flying, adding service (either frequency or new cities), or whatever. What effect would this have on our CASM? I honestly don't know but I would be willing to bet that it would be at least as big as the hypothetical $300 million in additional employee concessions and have the added benefit of increasing revenues (which concessions don't do).

Jim
 
Why isnt restructured US Airways taking off?

I'm surprised no one has made a joke about the weight of the cabin crew.

Ooops, I guess I just did. :p
 
PineyBob said:
way back before i became a shill for management an event happened on the customer side that may be a cautionary tale for all of us.
Bob...thanks for the laugh.

I was just getting ready to turn in and that made me laugh :lol:
 
USA320Pilot said:
From this observer’s perch, we are seeing management once again expertly manage employee expectations, but make no mistake about it -- US Airways' problems are real and either management and labor find acceptable solutions or the company fails.
Wow, finally you accept that management is managing our expectations. There is a mention in that article about tying pilot pay to the profits of the company. What are you thoughts on that? How far is ALPA willing to go to save thier jobs?
Michael
 
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Michael:

Michael asked: "There is a mention in that article about tying pilot pay to the profits of the company. What are you thoughts on that?"

USA320Pilot: In my opinion, starting tomorrow management is likely to propose labor contracts similar in scope to JetBlue, which has profit sharing. From my perspective, if US Airways had JetBlue contracts across-the-board -- for all labor groups -- the Company would be much more competitive.

I believe that's where we are headed and JetBlue type contracts will be obtained for all CBA's.

Respectfully,

USA320Pilot
 
USA320Pilot said:
Michael:

Michael asked: "There is a mention in that article about tying pilot pay to the profits of the company. What are you thoughts on that?"

USA320Pilot: In my opinion, starting tomorrow management is likely to propose labor contracts similar in scope to JetBlue, which has profit sharing. From my perspective, if US Airways had JetBlue contracts across-the-board -- for all labor groups -- the Company would be much more competitive.

I believe that's where we are headed and JetBlue type contracts will be obtained for all CBA's.

Respectfully,

USA320Pilot
USA320Pilot,

Parity with JetBlue and/or LLC's...an interesting concept! Something that was looked at skeptically, largely complained about, up to the point where the skeptics could no longer complain in the face of not 17%, but 32% raises over a 2 year period...of course many continued to complain anyway....

Interesting concept, I think we should all evaluate this idea.
 
UseYourHead said:
Parity with JetBlue and/or LLC's...an interesting concept! Something that was looked at skeptically, largely complained about, up to the point where the skeptics could no longer complain in the face of not 17%, but 32% raises over a 2 year period...of course many continued to complain anyway....

Interesting concept, I think we should all evaluate this idea.
Unless everyone one of my fellow co-workers are pathological liars you two are living in a dream world.

You can come on here everyday and beg people to see your reality but no one cares, no one is listening.
 
actually, JetBlue is not union....do they even have contracts? I mean, they may have some rules, but surely the company can do what they want scheduling and work rule wise.
 
question: should usair's incompetent mgmt team of thieves adopt the Jetblue style cba's, what will that mean for those of us still left in the expressed out stations
such as abe, pwm, or even worse yet in places like avp? I think that it is my time to go and work for NWA!
 
PineyBob said:
robbedagain said:
question: should usair's incompetent mgmt team of thieves adopt the Jetblue style cba's, what will that mean for those of us still left in the expressed out stations
such as abe, pwm, or even worse yet in places like avp? I think that it is my time to go and work for NWA!
Question? What exactly have they stolen?

A CBA duly signed after being approved by membership that results in loss of pay, benefits is NOT Stealing it's called negotiated?
oooooohhhh....Bob. Don't even start there.

The zealots will burn you in effigy to be sure!! Or pull off YOUR little cockroach legs.
 
JB level compensation STILL won't make U competitive against them. JB flies one type of aircraft, all new with no significant heavy mx costs right now. JB doesn't fly internationally. JB cherry pickes routes point to point. JB doesn't have labor contracts. JB doesn't give a ***t if people can't get from Greensboro to Washington DC. All they care about are the big markets. JB doesn't have the costs associated with running small marginal stations. And the MOST SIGNIFICANT reason . . . . JB has lean competent management and a successful business plan. . . . . not U's ____________ management and _________ business plan (you fill in the blanks).
 
Winglet said:
JB level compensation STILL won't make U competitive against them. JB flies one type of aircraft, all new with no significant heavy mx costs right now. JB doesn't fly
Actually, I've heard that their MX expense is on the rise as the first craft are now about three years old.
 
I'd suggest that if CCY wants Jetblue style compensation that all unions flatly refuse it unless any/all management at CCY is willing to accept Jetblue style compensation.

Neeleman made $327,000 + options last year. Make Little Dave take a similar pay package, and you are going to see once and for all that this management team:

1. Could not operate a McDonalds (even on Haaaavahd Green)

and

2. Are not interested in anything but a short term bailout.
 
Actually, I've heard that their MX expense is on the rise as the first craft are now about three years old.

This is true from talking with a few friends who now work in maintenance with Jetblue. The equipment is in the air so much that the hours run up quickly. Some are approaching their first heavy checks. These S checks will be farmed out. Apparently Jetblue believes they can get better returns on their capital in other places rather than funding the purchases of tooling, hangar space and other associated expenditures. I believe Air Canada does Jetblue's C checks so they feel comfortable with the quality of the product. I imagine they are the likely candidates to do the S check work as well. I don't know if Air Canada's bankruptcy affects this at all. The maintenance division was spun off into a stand alone entity, but I think they are still under the ownership of Air Canada. Looking at some recent PDF files, Jetblue's maintenance costs as a percentage of revenue are just over 2%. Everyone else in the industry is somewhere above 4%. How much could these checks raise their costs?
 

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