Who is in the lead for union representation for M&R @ the new American Airlines?

[Bob Owens]

No, the same class and craft till 2006 at US, still on the same CBA till this day.

Correct on the CBA, not according to the NMB if there was an election for representation.

The NMB does not car if they mix different class and craft on a CBA. we could all be on one document, fleets, maint, stock clerks, gate agents, pilots, Flight attendants, the NMB does not care but each of those groups votes seperately if there is a representation vote.

So, yes Stores and Maint can be the same contract group at US, but they are not the same class and craft as defined by the CBA unless Stores does work that fits the descriptions of the mechanics class and craft.

We hear the IBT is collecting cards over at US from mechanics, are they collecting them from Stores?

 

[700UW]

Bob,

From 1949-2006 the class and craft at US was Mechanics, Stores and Utility, it was changed and stores given their own R # after the US/HP merger.

The Board finds that the IAM is the certified representative of the entire craft or class of Stock Clerks in the single transportation system. The IAM's certification, initially established in NMB Case No. R-4593, is extended to cover the entire craft or class of Stock Clerks on the combined US Airways system. The certification in NMB Case No. R-4593 now excludes Stock Clerks from the Mechanics and Related craft or class. US Airways/America West Airlines, 33 NMB 321 (2006).

 

[Bob Owens]

Bob,

From 1949-2006 the class and craft at US was Mechanics, Stores and Utility, it was changed and stores given their own R # after the US/HP merger.

What was the basis for the change?

So if AMFA or another union had collected cards for an election at USAIR prior to 2006 the NMB would have included Stock Clerks in the vote?

 

[700UW]

The merger with HP caused the board to rule on single carrier status.

When amfa and the ibt tried before and yes they collected cards from the clerks.

 

[737823]

From 1949 till 2006 at US Airways, stores was part of the mechanic class and craft, why is that so hard for people to understand?

I posted the info where it showed and another poster posted when it changed.

Last time I checked no IAM ramper fixed nor overhauled a NW airplane during the strike.

But they are still SCABS and the IAM is a SCAB union.

"IAM members will not be duped into standing with AMFA," Robert Roach Jr. General Vice President IAM

I have recalled one of your earlier posts:

The IAM was wrong for doing that work where mechanics were staffed, but what you fail to realize is that the rampers did 95% of the pushbacks in the system.

http://www.airlineforums.com/topic/21218-iam-really-is-a-scab-union/#entry290072

Josh

 

[767 mechanic]

700 admits the iam is condoning being a scab union,but he has repeatedly tried to justify this by calling it ancillary language. Roach hated the AMFA so much that he broke rule #1 about unionism.

 

[snapthis]

700 admits the iam is condoning being a scab union,but he has repeatedly tried to justify this by calling it ancillary language. Roach hated the AMFA so much that he broke rule #1 about unionism.

That's because 700 is ignorant.

This person goes to great length to misrepresent the acquisition of US Air. Here's a refresher of airline acquisitions and mergers:

List of airline mergers and acquisitions:
Air Berlin
2006 - Acquired dba.
2007 - Acquired LTU.
2009 - Acquired LGW.
20xx - Acquired flyNiki.
20xx - Acquired HLX.
20xx - Acquired Belair.
Air New Zealand
2000 - Acquired Ansett Australia, Ansett collapsed, proving to be more of a drain than asset.
Air Canada
2000 - Acquired Canadian Airlines.
Air France
2004 - Merged with KLM Royal Dutch Airlines, changing the company name to Air France KLM, although the two airlines still operate as separate airlines.
Air Jamaica
2010 - Acquired by Caribbean Airlines
Air West
1968 - Pacific Air Lines (originally Southwest Airways), Bonanza Air Lines, and West Coast Airlines merged to form Air West
1970 - Howard Hughes purchased Air West and renamed it Hughes Airwest
AirTran Airways
1997 - Bought by ValuJet Airlines, kept the AirTran name
2010 - Bought by Southwest Airlines, will retain the Southwest name.
Alaska Airlines
1986 - Acquired Jet America Airlines.
1986 - Acquired Horizon Air, which continues to operate as a separate airline.
America West Airlines
2005 - Acquired bankrupt US Airways, retaining the US Airways name.
American Airlines
1971 - Acquired Trans Caribbean Airways
1987 - Acquired Air California
1997 - Acquired Reno Air
2001 - Acquired TWA

 

[The Phantom]

AMFA !!! this is the time to get a union started with a large group of people that can hopefully do it right this time. To continue with the IAM or TWU and follow the same corrupt people at the international level is just insane.
As stated The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results

Article Source: http://EzineArticles.com/12047

This is teh time to finally change the way we do things and learn from our mistakes.

 

[reclineaholic]

My dad worked for Ozark Airlines as an amt from 1957 till they were bought out by TWA. AMFA was about as strong as it's ever been there, the amt's at Ozark had an industry leading pay and benifit package and they deserved it, I can't remember how many times my dad was out of work because he was on strike or honoring another labor groups picket line but he was happy with AMFA, never said anything bad about them and still doesn't.

The thing is I watched what happened to him and the other Ozark amt's when Ican and TWA bought them out, it was as if AMFA turned their back on them, no more dues = no more representation. Their pay and benifits were imediately slashed, they were either disqualified for premium jobs because of lack of experience on TWA's equipment or made to take undesirable shifts and days off because they had no crew chief seniority tracking at Ozark. I thought their contract should have remained enforcable until a new one was agreed to but I guess without money and lawyers you can loose everything.

I don't know which union I'd rather have but right now I'm leaning toward the IAM. I worked for the IAM at Eastern from 1980-1989, at TWA from 1989-1990 and at US Air from 1990-1991. I was always informed and information was easy to access also I was paid more in strike pay while I was on strike at Eastern than I ever paid in dues. That's good representation!

I've been with the TWU here at American since 1991 and my main complaint is the lack of information, without informed union members you can't have a strong union. I will say that lately there has been an obvious attempt to bring more information to the membership but I'm not sure if that's just because of the card drives or if it's an honest attempt to improve.

 

[1AA]

Don't forget which union was the first to introduce license premium pay.

 

[bigjets]

At this point I would vote for anybody but the TWU, or even go non-union, look at Delta mechs.

 

[1AA]

At this point I would vote for anybody but the TWU, or even go non-union, look at Delta mechs.

Yes but Delta had a non-union culture for years. AA would eat us up if we had no union. But I agree in principle that no union is better than the TWU. Then again what is the difference now between no union and the TWU? (ouch!)

 

[Bob Owens]

Yes but Delta had a non-union culture for years. AA would eat us up if we had no union. But I agree in principle that no union is better than the TWU. Then again what is the difference now between no union and the TWU? (ouch!)

Would eat us up? Didnt they already?

Here's the flip side. Why doesnt Delta have a union? Because they pay their guys just enough to keep the Union out.

 

[swamt]

Below is an AMFA National congrats to AA and US on their merger. Very confindent message implying AMFA will be the union to represent AA mechs at the table for integration nego's, all the while with "OBSERVERS" watching and participating with their very own futures at the new AA. What a concept, and you can only do this with one union, AMFA. Happy reading:

The Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association (AMFA) congratulates American Airlines and US Airways Feb 15, 2013 - Posted by: Steven Horn
The Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association (AMFA) congratulates American Airlines and US Airways on the announcement of plans to merge the two airlines. During the merger announcement, American officials said that the company will remain in bankruptcy until the merger is approved by federal regulators, which they anticipate will be late third quarter 2013.
AMFA Organizers at American Airlines are conducting an AMFA representation card drive to change the union representation for American mechanics and related employees at the airline. A change in representation will allow AMFA to negotiate the seniority integration agreement following the merger on behalf of American mechanics. AMFA recently completed a successful seniority integration following the merger of Southwest Airlines and AirTran. The AMFA?Southwest committee negotiated a settlement which was then approved by a majority vote of the membership. The ability to participate and vote is a process that is central to AMFA’s principles of democracy, transparency, and member control.
“Thursday’s announcement is good news for the mechanics and related employees at American Airlines,” said Louie Key, National Director for AMFA. “The merger will eventually end the bankruptcy at American and provide more security for our brother technicians. We are looking forward to the completion of our card drive and winning the representation election, so that AMFA can help the American mechanics with the seniority integration process for mechanics at both American Airlines and US Airways.”
The Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association was established in 1962 as a craft focused union that represents aircraft mechanics and related employees. AMFA currently represents mechanics and related employees at Southwest Airlines and Alaska Airlines. For more information about AMFA visit www.amfanational.com.

 

[CIO]

Dream on!! Not going to happen!!!

In Solidarity,

CIO