Which Maintenance Base?
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Since this board frequently discusses the pros and cons of the TWU vs AMfA, there might be an underlying connection to which maintenance base will close.
For starters, the TWU has allowed those getting laid off in Tulsa (MY GOD, AA IS LAYING OFF NON-TWA PEOPLE TOO!) to excerise their BUMPING rights the way the contract states. They are letting the Tulsa group BUMP to DFW and or AFW while the most junior mechanic is in JFK/LGA.
THE REASON!
The TWU and JIM LITTLE are enforcing their NO TO AMFA votes by taking care of the largest voting block of mechanics. All they need is the TULSA base to buy or reject any contract vote. The same applies for the AMFA vote.
THE RESULT!
TULSA will not be closed!
That leaves AFW and MCI to fight it out. I hear it''s still business as usual in AFW, unless someone here can clarify it.
ABout MCI, the local politicians have dangled a carrot in front of AA about keeping it there.
AA doesn''t like carrots, they like profits. AA has set out an a plan to do more with less people. I think MCI will be shut down and whatever Checks are moved to TUL and AFW, AA will say that whoever is needed to go to TUL and AFW are not being laid off just relocated. This way bumping will be minimized.
For starters, the TWU has allowed those getting laid off in Tulsa (MY GOD, AA IS LAYING OFF NON-TWA PEOPLE TOO!) to excerise their BUMPING rights the way the contract states. They are letting the Tulsa group BUMP to DFW and or AFW while the most junior mechanic is in JFK/LGA.
THE REASON!
The TWU and JIM LITTLE are enforcing their NO TO AMFA votes by taking care of the largest voting block of mechanics. All they need is the TULSA base to buy or reject any contract vote. The same applies for the AMFA vote.
THE RESULT!
TULSA will not be closed!
That leaves AFW and MCI to fight it out. I hear it''s still business as usual in AFW, unless someone here can clarify it.
ABout MCI, the local politicians have dangled a carrot in front of AA about keeping it there.
AA doesn''t like carrots, they like profits. AA has set out an a plan to do more with less people. I think MCI will be shut down and whatever Checks are moved to TUL and AFW, AA will say that whoever is needed to go to TUL and AFW are not being laid off just relocated. This way bumping will be minimized.
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On 7/7/2003 6:59:55 AM Hopeful wrote:
Since this board frequently discusses the pros and cons of the TWU vs AMfA, there might be an underlying connection to which maintenance base will close.
For starters, the TWU has allowed those getting laid off in Tulsa (MY GOD, AA IS LAYING OFF NON-TWA PEOPLE TOO!) to excerise their BUMPING rights the way the contract states. They are letting the Tulsa group BUMP to DFW and or AFW while the most junior mechanic is in JFK/LGA.
THE REASON!
The TWU and JIM LITTLE are enforcing their NO TO AMFA votes by taking care of the largest voting block of mechanics. All they need is the TULSA base to buy or reject any contract vote. The same applies for the AMFA vote.
THE RESULT!
TULSA will not be closed!
That leaves AFW and MCI to fight it out. I hear it''s still business as usual in AFW, unless someone here can clarify it.
ABout MCI, the local politicians have dangled a carrot in front of AA about keeping it there.
AA doesn''t like carrots, they like profits. AA has set out an a plan to do more with less people. I think MCI will be shut down and whatever Checks are moved to TUL and AFW, AA will say that whoever is needed to go to TUL and AFW are not being laid off just relocated. This way bumping will be minimized.
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Gee Hopeful! Did you think of all that by yourself?On 7/7/2003 6:59:55 AM Hopeful wrote:
Since this board frequently discusses the pros and cons of the TWU vs AMfA, there might be an underlying connection to which maintenance base will close.
For starters, the TWU has allowed those getting laid off in Tulsa (MY GOD, AA IS LAYING OFF NON-TWA PEOPLE TOO!) to excerise their BUMPING rights the way the contract states. They are letting the Tulsa group BUMP to DFW and or AFW while the most junior mechanic is in JFK/LGA.
THE REASON!
The TWU and JIM LITTLE are enforcing their NO TO AMFA votes by taking care of the largest voting block of mechanics. All they need is the TULSA base to buy or reject any contract vote. The same applies for the AMFA vote.
THE RESULT!
TULSA will not be closed!
That leaves AFW and MCI to fight it out. I hear it''s still business as usual in AFW, unless someone here can clarify it.
ABout MCI, the local politicians have dangled a carrot in front of AA about keeping it there.
AA doesn''t like carrots, they like profits. AA has set out an a plan to do more with less people. I think MCI will be shut down and whatever Checks are moved to TUL and AFW, AA will say that whoever is needed to go to TUL and AFW are not being laid off just relocated. This way bumping will be minimized.
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On 7/7/2003 7:33:08 AM Hopeful wrote:
MCITRANSPLANT"
Y''ALL COME BACK NOW, YA HEAR?????????????
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
TULSA HERE YA COME! WITH 4/10/01 SENIORITY!!!!!!!!!!!
YAHOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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Not in your wildest dream!!!!Oh! What''s this I hear? Their not letting people bump to AFW???On 7/7/2003 7:33:08 AM Hopeful wrote:
MCITRANSPLANT"
Y''ALL COME BACK NOW, YA HEAR?????????????
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
TULSA HERE YA COME! WITH 4/10/01 SENIORITY!!!!!!!!!!!
YAHOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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On 7/7/2003 9
46 AM Buck wrote:
MCI transplant:
Why don''t you have your TWU Local fix this issue?
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I''m sorry for the confusion! But I was referring to bumbs frm TUL to AFW, not MCI!! So your replie should be,"why don''t their local do something?"On 7/7/2003 9
46 AM Buck wrote: MCI transplant:
Why don''t you have your TWU Local fix this issue?
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Maybe they know something we don''t???
I have a better idea. Close everything, farm out all the maintenance to these third party fly by night outfits down south in florida or Alabama. Labor is cheap down there.The quality of work coming out of these places is lousy, but who cares, the work is down cheaply.
What will put a stop to it though, is the first plane crash as a result of vender maintenance.Anyone remember Valujet?
What will put a stop to it though, is the first plane crash as a result of vender maintenance.Anyone remember Valujet?
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On 7/7/2003 10:33:31 AM MCI transplant wrote:
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That has been the question for a long time.....On 7/7/2003 10:33:31 AM MCI transplant wrote:
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On 7/7/2003 946 AM Buck wrote:
MCI transplant:
Why don''t you have your TWU Local fix this issue?
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I''m sorry for the confusion! But I was referring to bumbs frm TUL to AFW, not MCI!! So your replie should be,"why don''t their local do something?"On 7/7/2003 9
46 AM Buck wrote: MCI transplant:
Why don''t you have your TWU Local fix this issue?
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On 7/7/2003 11:31:40 AM acmech wrote:
I have a better idea. Close everything, farm out all the maintenance to these third party fly by night outfits down south in florida or Alabama. Labor is cheap down there.The quality of work coming out of these places is lousy, but who cares, the work is down cheaply.
What will put a stop to it though, is the first plane crash as a result of vender maintenance.Anyone remember Valujet?
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On 7/7/2003 11:31:40 AM acmech wrote:
I have a better idea. Close everything, farm out all the maintenance to these third party fly by night outfits down south in florida or Alabama. Labor is cheap down there.The quality of work coming out of these places is lousy, but who cares, the work is down cheaply.
What will put a stop to it though, is the first plane crash as a result of vender maintenance.Anyone remember Valujet?
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What happened after Valujet?
I dont believe the UNION (TWU) closes maintenance bases anymore than I believe the UNION (AMFA) laid-off workers at Northwest.
AA is in business to make money and that requires turning this airline around.
Kansas City just made a substantial offer to keep MCI open, this offer outpaces the Tulsa offer of a new sewer line and free water bill by a huge amount.
If anything related to union issues were to play into the decision, I would submit you should look at your contract language and in particular the Job Security clause and the "STATION PROTECTION" issue. I believe it states that if the Tulsa Maintenance Base is closed, then station protection is history.
Again, I do not believe the TWU has the power to keep or elminate a particular maintenance base. But, the language the TWU has negoitated might just play a big part in the management decision making process.
I bet KCFlyer likely knows more about the plans than any of us do?
AA is in business to make money and that requires turning this airline around.
Kansas City just made a substantial offer to keep MCI open, this offer outpaces the Tulsa offer of a new sewer line and free water bill by a huge amount.
If anything related to union issues were to play into the decision, I would submit you should look at your contract language and in particular the Job Security clause and the "STATION PROTECTION" issue. I believe it states that if the Tulsa Maintenance Base is closed, then station protection is history.
Again, I do not believe the TWU has the power to keep or elminate a particular maintenance base. But, the language the TWU has negoitated might just play a big part in the management decision making process.
I bet KCFlyer likely knows more about the plans than any of us do?
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On 7/7/2003 4:48:20 PM RV4 wrote:
I dont believe the UNION (TWU) closes maintenance bases anymore than I believe the UNION (AMFA) laid-off workers at Northwest.
AA is in business to make money and that requires turning this airline around.
Kansas City just made a substantial offer to keep MCI open, this offer outpaces the Tulsa offer of a new sewer line and free water bill by a huge amount.
If anything related to union issues were to play into the decision, I would submit you should look at your contract language and in particular the Job Security clause and the "STATION PROTECTION" issue. I believe it states that if the Tulsa Maintenance Base is closed, then station protection is history.
Again, I do not believe the TWU has the power to keep or elminate a particular maintenance base. But, the language the TWU has negoitated might just play a big part in the management decision making process.
I bet KCFlyer likely knows more about the plans than any of us do?
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Frankly RV4, I don''t like fear monguring! whiter it''s from A.A.,the T.W.U., or even you, and your A.M.F.A.!!! Tulsa is not going to be shut down! Let''s hope this MCI offer simply keeps all three bases open! But it wouldn''t suprise me to find out that the Company has gone back to AFW and asked them what they can do to insure A.A.''s further attention!On 7/7/2003 4:48:20 PM RV4 wrote:
I dont believe the UNION (TWU) closes maintenance bases anymore than I believe the UNION (AMFA) laid-off workers at Northwest.
AA is in business to make money and that requires turning this airline around.
Kansas City just made a substantial offer to keep MCI open, this offer outpaces the Tulsa offer of a new sewer line and free water bill by a huge amount.
If anything related to union issues were to play into the decision, I would submit you should look at your contract language and in particular the Job Security clause and the "STATION PROTECTION" issue. I believe it states that if the Tulsa Maintenance Base is closed, then station protection is history.
Again, I do not believe the TWU has the power to keep or elminate a particular maintenance base. But, the language the TWU has negoitated might just play a big part in the management decision making process.
I bet KCFlyer likely knows more about the plans than any of us do?
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Tulsa will never be shut down due to the fact that they are all TWU supporters and are helping AA keep AMFA out.
With this consideration in mind, I would wonder how safe AFW is.
With this consideration in mind, I would wonder how safe AFW is.
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On 7/7/2003 4:48:20 PM RV4 wrote:
I bet KCFlyer likely knows more about the plans than any of us do?
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Sorry...no. Actually I am shocked that KCMO came back as quickly as they did. Seems the city of Kansas City still thinks some of the TWA guys have some value.On 7/7/2003 4:48:20 PM RV4 wrote:
I bet KCFlyer likely knows more about the plans than any of us do?
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Commissioners to consider grant to benefit American Airlines
Associated Press
TULSA, Okla. - Tulsa County commissioners will consider Monday whether to apply for a $1 million grant that will benefit American Airlines, one of the county's largest employers.
County Commissioner Bob Dick asked the Indian Nations Council of Governments to prepare an application to the Oklahoma Department of Commerce for economic development financing through its Community Development Block Grant program.
The federal funds would assist the Fort Worth, Texas-based airline with infrastructure costs in expanding its maintenance and engineering center near the Tulsa International Airport.
AMR Corp., the parent company of American Airlines, has maintenance bases in Tulsa, Kansas City, Mo., and Fort Worth and is considering closing one of them.
"We believe it is worth us making every attempt possible to keep a half-billion (dollar) payroll in Tulsa," said Dick, who added that the county's efforts would complement city efforts to keep the facility open.
The Tulsa center employs 8,300 employees. Tulsa Mayor Bill LaFortune has said the center contributes another 14,579 jobs to the area.
CDBG funding, issued and regulated by the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, must benefit at least 51 percent low- and moderate-income residents.
Dick said that requirement could be met with the number of spinoff jobs that exist because of American's Tulsa operations.
Tulsa County voters will be asked to support American Airlines in the Vision 2025 proposal, which offers $22.3 million in incentives.
Associated Press
TULSA, Okla. - Tulsa County commissioners will consider Monday whether to apply for a $1 million grant that will benefit American Airlines, one of the county's largest employers.
County Commissioner Bob Dick asked the Indian Nations Council of Governments to prepare an application to the Oklahoma Department of Commerce for economic development financing through its Community Development Block Grant program.
The federal funds would assist the Fort Worth, Texas-based airline with infrastructure costs in expanding its maintenance and engineering center near the Tulsa International Airport.
AMR Corp., the parent company of American Airlines, has maintenance bases in Tulsa, Kansas City, Mo., and Fort Worth and is considering closing one of them.
"We believe it is worth us making every attempt possible to keep a half-billion (dollar) payroll in Tulsa," said Dick, who added that the county's efforts would complement city efforts to keep the facility open.
The Tulsa center employs 8,300 employees. Tulsa Mayor Bill LaFortune has said the center contributes another 14,579 jobs to the area.
CDBG funding, issued and regulated by the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, must benefit at least 51 percent low- and moderate-income residents.
Dick said that requirement could be met with the number of spinoff jobs that exist because of American's Tulsa operations.
Tulsa County voters will be asked to support American Airlines in the Vision 2025 proposal, which offers $22.3 million in incentives.
