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AA to Outsource 737 Heavy Maintenance -MCI Closure

Posted on Thu, Jun. 26, 2003

Airline to decide overhaul base''s fate by end of summer, Barnes says
By RANDOLPH HEASTER
The Kansas City Star




Kay Barnes


American Airlines Inc. expects to decide the fate of its Kansas City maintenance base and two others by the end of summer, Mayor Kay Barnes said Wednesday.

Barnes led a group of city officials who met with an American senior management team Tuesday at its corporate headquarters in Fort Worth, Texas. The trip was part of an ongoing effort to persuade the beleaguered airline to keep its existing maintenance operations in Kansas City.

Nothing was resolved, but that wasn''t the purpose of the trip, Barnes said.

"The meeting went well," Barnes said. "It was a chance to learn more details about American''s current financial situation and how it might affect the maintenance facilities. American has made no decisions and won''t for the next several weeks."

American has about 2,000 employees at its Kansas City overhaul base, which is owned by the city and leased to the airline. American also operates and leases maintenance bases in Fort Worth and Tulsa, Okla., its biggest operation with more than 8,000 employees.

American declined to comment on specific aspects of the meeting.

"We''re meeting with cities all over the country about different ways to improve our efficiencies," said American spokesman Tim Wagner. "We''re appreciative that they are helping us."

Wagner said he was unaware of any timetable that called for American to make final decisions about its maintenance operations in the next several weeks.

"We haven''t really talked about a timeline," he said. "If that was discussed at (Tuesday''s) meeting, I don''t have any information to confirm that."

Barnes said the city plans to submit a proposal to American "as early as next week" that will address how Kansas City''s facility may be upgraded.

"Our strength is our work force," Barnes said. "They''re the best. Our location is also an asset. Our weakness is the physical age of our facility. We are preparing a proposal that will make suggestions to them related to that."

Barnes did not provide further details.

In 2001, when American acquired Trans World Airlines, the airline had plans to install a new engine shop and had hopes of working with the city to modernize the base. That expansion was derailed after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, and the continued sluggish economy forced American and most other major carriers to downsize their operations.

Butch Sponaugle, president of Transport Workers Union Local 530 in Kansas City, said how to pay for an upgrade of the Kansas City facility will be an important part of the discussions between the city and American.

"That''s the main issue -- how to pay for the badly needed work on the overhaul base," he said.

The city of Kansas City has revenue bond capacity available for upgrading the maintenance base. When voters approved a $395 million bond package for airport improvements in 2000, the Aviation Department earmarked $110 million of it for the overhaul base.

The question now is whether American, in its current financial condition, would agree to or would be able to back those bonds and pay them off if issued for work on the overhaul base.

Regarding Tuesday''s discussion, Sponaugle said American executives expressed optimism.

"They said the meeting went quite well," he said. "So the feeling is very upbeat right now."

Kansas City officials aren''t the only ones talking to American about maintenance operations. Four of Oklahoma''s top leaders met with airline officials Monday to discuss American''s Tulsa facility. Those attending that meeting included Oklahoma Gov. Brad Henry and University of Oklahoma president David Boren, a member of the airline''s board.

In April, American''s employees voted to accept $1.8 billion in annual cutbacks in an effort to avoid bankruptcy.

At the time, company executives said a rejection of the concessions most likely would lead to a shutdown of its maintenance facilities in Kansas City and Fort Worth. However, then-chief executive Don Carty said he could give no guarantees to the company''s work force about future downsizings, even if the concessions were accepted.

The airline reported Wednesday that it had positive cash flow from operations during May, and that it expected the same in June. American shares closed the day at $9.08, down 31 cents.


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On 6/26/2003 7:10:17 AM Hopeful wrote:

Posted on Thu, Jun. 26, 2003

Airline to decide overhaul base''s fate by end of summer, Barnes says
By RANDOLPH HEASTER
The Kansas City Star




Kay Barnes
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Those two words right there could be the loss of the overhaul base. Kay Barnes has a tendency to create groups to "study" what the city can do until it''s too late to do anything. Too bad the base isn''t located in Kansas City Kansas, Carol Marinovich would be all over that to insure that the base stayed, well before the end of summer.
 
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On 6/26/2003 9:35:26 AM Hopeful wrote:

Let''s not forget what the underlying motive could be here.

AMR is talking about the fate of its three major overhaul facilities which would have an emormous economic impact on three cities. ENTER the city and state officials who bear gifts in the form of tax cuts, facility upgrades, etc. I don''t think anyone can predict which base will close. But the ones who are offered the largest economic assistance package would win.

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THat''s what I''m saying - KCMO is so slow to decide that the end of July will have come and gone before they produce any sort of proposal.
 
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On 6/26/2003 8:07:51 AM KCFlyer wrote:




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On 6/26/2003 7:10:17 AM Hopeful wrote:

Posted on Thu, Jun. 26, 2003 

Airline to decide overhaul base''s fate by end of summer, Barnes says
By RANDOLPH HEASTER
The Kansas City Star




Kay Barnes
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Those two words right there could be the loss of the overhaul base.  Kay Barnes has a tendency to create groups to "study" what the city can do until it''s too late to do anything.   Too bad the base isn''t located in Kansas City Kansas, Carol Marinovich would be all over that to insure that the base stayed, well before the end of summer. 

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(exerpt from the Mayors'' website)

"She [KC Mayor Kay Barnes]has served as president of the Women''s Employment Network board of directors and as a member or director of numerous other organizations, including the Women''s Foundation of Greater Kansas City, the Kansas City, Mo., Committee of the Greater Kansas City Chamber of Commerce, the Greater Kansas City Sports Commission and the Chancellor''s Advisory Board to the Women''s Center at UMKC. She was named one of seven Outstanding Women in Kansas City in 1977."

Maybe she just does not care about a bunch of males working on stinky, noisy jets. Just a thought.
 
Let''s not forget what the underlying motive could be here.

AMR is talking about the fate of its three major overhaul facilities which would have an emormous economic impact on three cities. ENTER the city and state officials who bear gifts in the form of tax cuts, facility upgrades, etc. I don''t think anyone can predict which base will close. But the ones who are offered the largest economic assistance package would win.
 
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On 6/26/2003 3:05:19 PM capeman wrote:

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On 6/26/2003 2:38:59 PM TAN 767 300 wrote:

Just wondering, with UAl closing IND Maint., would the State of Indiana/City of Indy be involved in trying to get AA to move the MCI operation to IND?

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Shouldn''t the state that MCI is located in be trying to keep jobs? It would cost AMR millions to relocate to a city that is served by RJ''s.


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Actually, IND saw a resumption of some mainline service to ORD two weeks ago and has always had several mainline flights daily to DFW. And LLC still flies mainline to IND from STL.
 
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On 6/26/2003 2:38:59 PM TAN 767 300 wrote:

Just wondering, with UAl closing IND Maint., would the State of Indiana/City of Indy be involved in trying to get AA to move the MCI operation to IND?

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Shouldn''t the state that MCI is located in be trying to keep jobs? It would cost AMR millions to relocate to a city that is served by RJ''s.
 
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On 6/26/2003 3:05:19 PM capeman wrote:


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On 6/26/2003 2:38:59 PM TAN 767 300 wrote:

Just wondering, with UAl closing IND Maint., would the State of Indiana/City of Indy be involved in trying to get AA to move the MCI operation to IND?

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Shouldn''t the state that MCI is located in be trying to keep jobs? It would cost AMR millions to relocate to a city that is served by RJ''s.


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The state most likely WILL try to keep the base open. But politics being what it is, KCMO will be in the midst of a "feasability study" to look at the economic impact, etc and by the time the results of that study are in, the base will already be shuttered, if that is indeed what AA has planned.
 
Just wondering, with UAl closing IND Maint., would the State of Indiana/City of Indy be involved in trying to get AA to move the MCI operation to IND?
 
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On 6/24/2003 11:57:08 PM Buck wrote:




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On 6/24/2003 11:19:42 PM FWAAA wrote:


Buck and Bob Owens have been clamoring for AA to act more like WN - guess this is one giant step in that direction.

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I believe my position was that the company has for many years told it''s employees that we need to be more like WN. Why do you make statements that are not true?

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Usualy when someone can not back up their arguements with the facts they lie.
 
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On 6/25/2003 8:19:06 AM MCI transplant wrote:

"IF" they do, they'de be the biggest damn fools in the Airline Industry!!!!We're also running 4 MD-80 lines, a 767 line, a 757 line, and 2 mod. lines at the momment! All have been in the high 90% on time turn outs! Plus the 737's, which have a 105% turn rate! All the above with aprox. 1700 AMT's! The base still has room for more work, and can be expanded in the future! The Mayor stated at the vary least, they can extend the currant lease of $1 million @year! And with our current wage scale, I don't think the could do much better! Oh! did you see where they're adding about 50 new flights? More flights, more A/C, more work!!!! But who knows? They may be those fools after all!!!!! And if they do start "Outsourcing" heavy maintenance, do you think, by any streach of your imagination, they'de stop with only the 737's?????

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Welcome to AA!

JFK had the best performance in the system with the 767 B check years ago, but it did not make any difference, they yanked it anyway, same with the DC-10. You have to remember that its not the operations people that run this company and make the decisions. If it looks good on paper its done. Just ask any supervisor, they get stuck trying to clean up the mess those guys make.

As far as the outsourcing, why would they? They get better rates in house, plus a discount on line maint thanks to Jim Little. Jim is the best thing to happen to airline workers since Frank Lorenzo! Not only does AA not pay double time no matter how many hours you put in but they also only recognize 5 paid Holidays and the workers come to work on those holidays for half pay!!

Have a Happy 4th of July and I hope that AA appreciates the fact that thier workers are putting in 8 hours for four hours pay.
 
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On 6/26/2003 4:42:18 PM Bob Owens wrote:

Usualy when someone can not back up their arguements with the facts they lie.

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You hurt my feelings, Bob Owens. I hope you''re happy.

And when they''re named Bob Owens, they post nonsensical rants about financial statements they don''t understand.
 
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On 6/26/2003 6:45:52 PM FWAAA wrote:

You hurt my feelings, Bob Owens. I hope you''re happy.

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There, does that make it better?
 
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