Where Are We...

[UseYourHead]

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You are in the minority. If you are that angry than I suggest you use this time to find another job. The current business plan is not working and the LCC's will eat US Airways' lunch if immediate changes are not made.

You are in the silent majority and this company will be involved in a corporate transaction. The only question is who will fly and support the 279 (possibly 339) aircraft fleet?

If you are that miserable, which it appears from your numerous posts, I respectfully suggest you use the next few months to look for another job while you still have an income, medical insurance, dental insurance, and travel privileges.

Respectfully,

USA320Pilot

By the way...does it make you feel good to call people names? Interestingly, my children understand respect, but it appears you do not understand that basic human trait.

320,

You have a long list of valid points, as do the Nay Sayers. If all of us as individuals follow a decision tree, it all comes down to doing what it takes to survive. Do you want to do that, or have you given up?

We have two groups of people in the dynamic here; Those who are so wrapped up in anger, and finger pointing, and cannot get past that have one point of view. Then there are those who are able to act on the realities, the fact that life isn't fair, and see the business situation as it is, keeping clarity on the forefront when evaluating and arriving at a decision.

I believe there are a majority who do want to do what it takes to fight another day. I am one; everyone I talk to in day-to-day travels is as well. Sure there are many that are angry, most with a brain with the capacity to act on something other that anger and emotion can reason out where we are.

There is nothing keeping you from leaving if it is that bad. Do us all a favor and go show us how much better it is out their on your plan B, I'd be interested to hear your thoughts after 6 months...,

Let those of us who want to do the right thing help turn things around. I am looking forward to doing just that!

 

[delldude]

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The current business plan is not working and the LCC's will eat US Airways' lunch if immediate changes are not made.
how true you are,so what is the answer then?keep whitling away at the wage base of the labor groups then? is that it...or does shrinking into 'profitability' do it? or hows about we retreat and cede ground to our competitors until theres nothing left to cede?this is all we've seen to this point

You are in the silent majority and this company will be involved in a corporate transaction. UCT UCT UCT UCT

We have two groups of people in the dynamic here; Those who are so wrapped up in anger, and finger pointing, and cannot get past that have one point of view. Then there are those who are able to act on the realities, the fact that life isn't fair, and see the business situation as it is, keeping clarity on the forefront when evaluating and arriving at a decision.
very valid point, however you missed some people...what about those who are wrapped up in finger pointing and anger and see the realities of the situation?the silent majority?excuse me....you are so off base here its pathetic....there aren't too many i see and hear who wouldn't be willing to sacrifice more if they were privy to a sound business plan and not some "knee jerk reaction" to the state of the industry. does america west ring any bells? i must say from here on out if the merry pranksters in CCY want work rules or wages it must be presented to where the individual sees he or she is making an investment in a future with a return for their investment...not any of this horse crap of "this is what we need"....you want more,we want to see "whats in it for us".
don't you dare group these people into catagories because WE all have a stake in this and all haven't seen much worth reinvesting ourselves in to this point.SHOW US!
Let those of us who want to do the right thing help turn things around. I am looking forward to doing just that
i'm glad you feel that way but for the majority of us here i think the days of blind faith are over until we see some leadership with a firm resolve.

 

[UseYourHead]

very valid point, however you missed some people...what about those who are wrapped up in finger pointing and anger and see the realities of the situation?the silent majority?excuse me....you are so off base here its pathetic....there aren't too many i see and hear who wouldn't be willing to sacrifice more if they were privy to a sound business plan and not some "knee jerk reaction" to the state of the industry. does america west ring any bells? i must say from here on out if the merry pranksters in CCY want work rules or wages it must be presented to where the individual sees he or she is making an investment in a future with a return for their investment...not any of this horse crap of "this is what we need"....you want more,we want to see "whats in it for us".
don't you dare group these people into catagories because WE all have a stake in this and all haven't seen much worth reinvesting ourselves in to this point.SHOW US!

DellDude,

I agree, we all need to see a plan that is worthy of us taking a part in. And I also agree that the majority of us would choose to particpate. Can it happen? Absolutly, there is no reason that this airline cannot go forward with a great plan.

At this point, we all all need to be on board, and those who do not wish to participate, there is nothing keeping them from leaving....

Again, I agree, SHOW US!

 

[700UW]

keep drinking the koolaide.

 

[USA320Pilot]

UseYourHead:

Your rational post is well written and reasonable. There is no question the majority of employees understand the current economic reality and there will be deals from all unions.

Today's issue is that the LCC's are adapting their business plan by going to second fleet types, branching out into smaller markets, and keeping their costs low.

Either US Airways adapts to the changing marketplace or the airline fails. This industry is undergoing fundamental changes and yields are dropping. Whether it's internet booking, alternate ground transportation, Acela, the sluggish economy, or the LCC threat, revenue is not what it used to be and either companies find ways to have current RASM exceed CASM or it will fail.

Regardless, US Airways will be involved in a corporate transaction. If the company stabilizes its finances current employees will fly and support current aircraft. If not, then furloughed employees from other airlines will fly and support the current US Airways fleet.

Respectfully,

USA320Pilot

 

[robbedagain]

A-320: Which carrier would be interested in merging usair into them only if united
cant in the worst case? And would the govt allow this merger to occur depsite giving usair the 900million loan? what would happen to the cities such as abe or avp that went expressmainline crap?

 

[ClueByFour]

Your rational post is well written and reasonable. There is no question the majority of employees understand the current economic reality and there will be deals from all unions.

Or, maybe we'll see another "MEC only ratification" from ALPA, and everybody else tells them to pound sand.

 

[PITbull]

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320,

You have a long list of valid points, as do the Nay Sayers. If all of us as individuals follow a decision tree, it all comes down to doing what it takes to survive. Do you want to do that, or have you given up?

We have two groups of people in the dynamic here; Those who are so wrapped up in anger, and finger pointing, and cannot get past that have one point of view. Then there are those who are able to act on the realities, the fact that life isn't fair, and see the business situation as it is, keeping clarity on the forefront when evaluating and arriving at a decision.

I believe there are a majority who do want to do what it takes to fight another day. I am one; everyone I talk to in day-to-day travels is as well. Sure there are many that are angry, most with a brain with the capacity to act on something other that anger and emotion can reason out where we are.

There is nothing keeping you from leaving if it is that bad. Do us all a favor and go show us how much better it is out their on your plan B, I'd be interested to hear your thoughts after 6 months...,

Let those of us who want to do the right thing help turn things around. I am looking forward to doing just that!

Use Your Head,

No. In my thinking,we have two types of people here, Those who trust this management team and any business plan they come up with:

And those...

Who do not trust this managment team for valid reasons pertaining to past experience of being "dooped", and those who know that they came up with a business plan 6 months ago, that did not, or could not withstand the test of time; short or long term.

The question remains for all, "how much do you trust your own abilities to go out in the world if you had to, and have you reached your " give-threshold" regardless of the fear of the unkown?

Has nothing to do with anger; that is not the focus. It has everything to do with following someone who can't lead or inspire, or create or has true vision or any vision. Its called going into that night, blindly, on the sheer hope and gamble that it just might happen to work out. And do you want to give it a shot on sheer "chance".

In addition, we have Jerry G. using U as his "test plate" and stomping ground as he continues to force employees to "lower the bar". He is attempting to prove to the rest of the business community of union workers and non union workers, under his premise that any employee, when you threaten their job or employment, will do anything you ask just to save themselves from the "unknown". His many talents are comprised of giving ultimatims in his version of reality, and pounding into the employees psyche that they are basically worthless in other industries and businesses and without U, they would fair far less or not at all. Its the same MO, time and time again. With every success, Jerry G. will be able to market himself anywhere and use U as a big part of his resume building with his ability to bust contracts and thus organized labor. Will I knowingly travel that road and facilitate his success and empire? What do you think?

I see this in a more global arena, my friend. And thus far, labor has not changed the "landscape" yet.

 

[1990Supra]

Pitbull,

You are extremely insightful.

 

[737nCH11]

USA320Pilot,

Have you ever given any thought to the fact that there might not be any UCT/ICT for USAirways? What are you going to do then? When you were so busy pointing out that my airline was failing over the past year I put a plan together that did not involve aviation. I have since started a business while keeping my flying job, but if UAL ever goes down the crapper I have something to fall back on that doesn't involve whoring myself out to the lowest bidder. USA320Pilot, what's your plan???

 

[Light Years]

PITbull,

You are dead on as usual. Many are unable to sit back and look at this outside of US Airways. It needs to be viewed through the airline industry and through a national and global lens. Its the continued effort to erode whats left of the middle class.

 

[PITbull]

PITbull,

You are dead on as usual. Many are unable to sit back and look at this outside of US Airways. It needs to be viewed through the airline industry and through a national and global lens. Its the continued effort to erode whats left of the middle class.

Story coming out in Hard copy....LOL...

 

[700UW]

If not, then furloughed employees from other airlines will fly and support the current US Airways fleet.

Respectfully,

USA320Pilot

You got to be kidding?

All the labor contracts prevent wet leasing, if it says US Airways on it, it must be flown by US Airways Pilots, Cabin worked by US Airways F/As, our US Mechanics fix them, US Utility clean them, US CSAs check them passengers in and US Fleet Service load and unload them.

Where do you come up with this BS?

 

[ktflyhome]

737nchp11.....did you get permission from the Management to work another job

 

[TheLarkAscending]

737nchp11.....did you get permission from the Management to work another job

737nchp11 works for UA.