What Exactly Has The Union Done For You?

[700UW]

When the company outsourced the airbus work it killed any labor-management relationship.

All the company proved was you could not trust them to honor any agreements they signed.

There were several reasons why the IAM did not negotiate until US filed bankrutpcy.

1. Had to hear what the decision on the airbus outsourcing was from the arbitrator.

2. The membership did not want the union to negotiate, the leadership traveled the system and talked to the members at each major location.

3. The IAM knew deep down inside the company was headed back into bankruptcy.

In regard to the agents pension it was frozen back in 1992 and terminated this year, not in 1996.

 

[john john]

GUYS we have all gotten off  track a little.

The main theme of this topic was directed towards  RES and CSR groups.
While I respect the passion in the pro union group, I think the current situation  with the CWA and IBT "marriage" is bogus and indicative of the internal politics in these two groups.

My main concern is that the overal state of this industy is not financialy healthy.  I go back to my original question ( for  RES / CSR )  what has the CWA / IBT done for you. 

Secondly  To be realistic  both work groups are , and I hate this term, Unskilled entry level. Please no hate mail  as I know how hard it is in res and all the knowledge needed.  But the reality is  pay a res agent 19.00 pr ph  OR  less than a 1.00 to a 3rd world call center.  If we continue to bicker and infight  what choice do we leave the BIG Boys with ?? . What would happen if they  outsorce all of RES ?  Would the  Pilots  / mechs  walk out. I dought it  as the Mechs  didnt even support their brothers at NW. 

As for the  Pilots FA  Mechs  I can see a need for a bargaining voice  I am ok with that.

Once again  reguards  to my co workers here at US AIRWAYS

[post="310327"][/post]​

Your outsource opinion is true with every work group.
"I know how hard it is in res and all the knowledge needed"///////////"unskilled" OXYMORON

 

[john john]

GUYS we have all gotten off  track a little.

The main theme of this topic was directed towards  RES and CSR groups.
While I respect the passion in the pro union group, I think the current situation  with the CWA and IBT "marriage" is bogus and indicative of the internal politics in these two groups.

My main concern is that the overal state of this industy is not financialy healthy.  I go back to my original question ( for  RES / CSR )  what has the CWA / IBT done for you. 

Secondly  To be realistic  both work groups are , and I hate this term, Unskilled entry level. Please no hate mail  as I know how hard it is in res and all the knowledge needed.  But the reality is  pay a res agent 19.00 pr ph  OR  less than a 1.00 to a 3rd world call center.  If we continue to bicker and infight  what choice do we leave the BIG Boys with ?? . What would happen if they  outsorce all of RES ?  Would the  Pilots  / mechs  walk out. I dought it  as the Mechs  didnt even support their brothers at NW. 



As for the  Pilots FA  Mechs  I can see a need for a bargaining voice  I am ok with that.

Once again  reguards  to my co workers here at US AIRWAYS

[post="310327"][/post]​

Your true HP/US colors are showing
Now why would a res agent not want a union with attitude like yours. 3rd world call centers are not working, just ask the big boys.
http://www.usaviation.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=22144

 

[john john]

If we continue to bicker and infight what choice do we leave the BIG Boys with ?? .
NEGOTIATE

 

[PITbull]

The IAM got B*tch slapped across the tarmac by Jerry Glass and now is the time to fess up and clean up your act as a union.

One REAL QUICK test of your unions effectiveness is to view your pay stub.
1. Is the gross more or less?
2. Are your dues higher or lower?
3. Is Unions Management Compensation higher or lower?
4. Is the take homemore or less?

If your answers to 1 and 4 are lower and 2 & 3 are higher then you have a union that does NOT have your interests at heart. Kinda nets the whole thing out doesn't it?

[post="310347"][/post]​

See Bob, your questions above are not a guage. Why? Because 1-4 would have even been worse without a collective group negotiating.

Example: DELTA employees, who are 90% non-union , were given their "conditions and wages" which went into effect on Oct. 1 and Nov. 1

AFA sent these conditions for DELTA out to the membership for fyi... Not pretty and this is their second concession. There is no time frame and is subject to change.

NW have asked AFA to be their representatives and that should go into effect by sometime in December, however, the Teamsters just jumped in. Bottom line, NW is looking for collective representation.

Personally, I am happy with either union going in there.

 

[PITbull]

CWA agents had no defined pensions to terminated thay did that in 1996

[post="310336"][/post]​

John,

They didn't terminate CWA pensions in 1996. They froze them in 1992.

 

[elixir]

Gee so I guess, ALPA, AFA, CWA, IAM and TWU are all failures.

But I see how you dodged answering any questions poised to you.

Let's see...yes,yes,...yes,yes......and yes. (all to varying degrees)

And you have yet to answer mine on the PHL thread..asked nicely, not antagonistically.

 

[bulldog]

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NEGOTIATE

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[/quote]


WOW Great idea John John Lets see how the folks at PIT RES feel about that. Oh wait they just got their jobs NEGOTIATED to outsorce in Manila . Silly me

 

[john john]

John,

They didn't terminate CWA pensions in 1996. They froze them in 1992.

[post="310359"][/post]​

You are right about the time line.But What is the difference between frozen and terminate I still only get what I earn up to 1992 from the PGBC and we did not get credit during negotations because we were non-union.It started with the agents in 1992 and ended with AFA/ALPA/IAM.

 

[calibrator]

The topic of the thread is "What Exactly Has The Union Done For You" and in the case of the IAM the answer is LESS THAN NOTHING. In AFA's case the answer is SOMETHING and in my book something is better than nothing.

[post="310370"][/post]​

WOW Bob...I actually agree with you 100%

I bet the AFA didn’t have turn coats either like the IAM did at NW where a local IAM President turned scab....The IAM is crumbling from inside.

 

[PITbull]

Bob,

What the IAM did after abrogation on Jan. 10 is send out the company's final proposal, which of course was the elimination of Utility and outsourcing permanent. If the Leadership did not send out the co.'s last proposal to give the IAM and related a chance to vote, they would/could have been sued by the membership. What would that gain for the labor movement?

So, the IAM did what was in the best interest of their members, and sent it out for thier vote.

If I were an IAM member I would have voted NO, and struck the airline, because that would have been the next step. The union would have no choice but to strike if the vote came back "AGAINST" by majority. I told members of the IAM and their leadership that if the answer from the membership comes back by majority a "no vote", then if you strike, and that resulted in liquidation of the airline, I would never be upset over it. It would be the right thing.

The decision was made by the membership as they voted by majority FOR the last proposal by the Company. So, you can see by that vote, (even though it was very close not to pass), that the members would accept those terms and the leadership would have been sued by the members if they didn't send it out obviously.

This is how it went down.

With regard to AFA's proposal...I knew that if the majority voted in this agreement I would not be able to stay and make those wages with a terminated pension. I am the sole supporter of my family and I would have no other alternative but to look for a new career path. I had prepared myself for either consequence as I had had it with these concessions. My children are in college and I contribute heavily to their education.

So moving on, I am. And belive this, I have had Labor offers and have been contacted by Political committees for temporary positions in the next PA elections. Also, A position with a bi-partisan group for educating the public on the issues that effect Pennsylvania, specfically working with educating non-labor citizens. This is a National organization for working Americans and not about organizing or unions. These positions, unfortunately yield the same salary as what I am currently making, so I am debating if I should accept what I am passionate about, or allow my pocketbook to dictate what path to pursue at this stage of my life.

As you must know, Labor side is not a popular side and doesn't pay much. But it is a great side to be on and I absolutely love it. Could you tell?

 

[700UW]

Dues were not raised for the mechanic and related, and the DL 142 leadership earns less then then Chiames and company.

Don't let the facts get in the way of your hatred for unions, especially the IAM.

And you who believes breaking, entering and stealing is ok as long as it furthers your career, gimme a break.

Eagerly awaiting your retaliation.

 

[700UW]

WOW Bob...I actually agree with you 100%

    I bet the AFA didn’t have turn coats either like the IAM did at NW where a local IAM President turned scab....The IAM is crumbling from inside.

[post="310374"][/post]​

Last time I checked the IAM is not on strike at NW, so please tell me how he turned scab by reporting to his regular job, if he is still an IAM represented employee?

Get your story straight, it is an EX-IAM member who is an AMFA member who scabbed on his own union which is AMFA, not the IAM.

Don't let the facts get in your way of hatred for the IAM. Keep trying!

 

[700UW]

Buffy was not at negotiations nor was he involved and Roach showed up towards the end of the process as the District leadership is in charge of negotiations.

And lets see Buffy has 500,000 active members and Roach has 100,000, vs 28,000 at US, do the math Bobby.

 

[calibrator]

Last time I checked the IAM is not on strike at NW, so please tell me how he turned scab by reporting to his regular job, if he is still an IAM represented employee?

Get your story straight, it is an EX-IAM member who is an AMFA member who scabbed on his own union which is AMFA, not the IAM.

Don't let the facts get in your way of hatred for the IAM. Keep trying!

[post="310383"][/post]​

EX-IAM (L_E_A_D_E_R) who now is showing his true colors, as a scab.

The IAM past or present doesn't matter with this one, does it.

Point being; I know and many others also know that many such individuals live within the ranks of the IAM and why they are powerless. You need to change affiliations to a union with real stones, that or stop acting like they are so damn great when they are really laughable with the top leaders far removed from reality.