We used to make US fly
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BeenThereDoneThat
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Like giving employees a hat with
"I make US fly", 2 pins and a lanyard promotes "positive" 
attitudes. I am positive we are getting :mf_boff: without getting kissed!
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"perceived" as in becoming aware and/or to understand. I understand very clearly that when you're furloughed at a mature age your education and qualifications don't matter a whole hell of a lot. It's just the ugly side of capitalism, a reality that doesn't make the world a better or less place to live in.
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Sorry, smallstFSA. We really need a "sarcasm" smiley....
That was meant as a reply to a suggestion that everyone should just look out for themselves and the usual "If you don't like it here leave."
The company would undoubtedly love to have a workforce composed of only people perfectly content to gratefully accept whatever was given to them. Without the "complainer's", nothing would ever get better for the employees.
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That was meant as a reply to a suggestion that everyone should just look out for themselves and the usual "If you don't like it here leave."
The company would undoubtedly love to have a workforce composed of only people perfectly content to gratefully accept whatever was given to them. Without the "complainer's", nothing would ever get better for the employees.
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No apology needed, you're one of the best intentioned and informative posters. I just like to bring attention to the fact that many of the rampers let go in 2005 were in their late 40's, gave U the best years of their lives and even with college degrees and decent resumes will only find jobs in the 27k to 30k range. This at a time when they're trying to send kids to college while not selling off their homes. Free markets and capitalism are by far the most efficient economic models but when thousands of American blue collars workers find themselves transitioning into a global information economy, chronological factors will play a large part in whether they can successfully adapt.
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Piney, thanks for the kind words. Let's have some fun with options that suck. I got a tank full of gas and $16 to last me until friday. Will I make it without using the mastercard. Deal or no deal.
I beg to differ.
First of all, US capitalism comes in many flavors - the 1890-1930 laissez faire version, the 1930-1980 regulated version, and the back to the 1920's current version.
None of which occurs in a vacuum, or are immutable.
Companies outsource to increase profits and also cut taxes (they want the benefits of a stable and powerful country, they just don't want to pay for it). Since they are saving billions, some of those funds could have been diverted for employee re-education, severance, etc. For example: ACME Corp. says they are outsourcing to Outer Mongolia, expecting a savings of $1,000,000. Laws could have required, to get the outsourcing green light, to dedicate X percent of those savings for Y years to worker retraining.
There are measures that could be taken, and the working class better start voting their pocketbook. Or prepare themselves for neo-serfdom.
I don't mind working hard. I just want it to amount to something.
First of all, US capitalism comes in many flavors - the 1890-1930 laissez faire version, the 1930-1980 regulated version, and the back to the 1920's current version.
None of which occurs in a vacuum, or are immutable.
Companies outsource to increase profits and also cut taxes (they want the benefits of a stable and powerful country, they just don't want to pay for it). Since they are saving billions, some of those funds could have been diverted for employee re-education, severance, etc. For example: ACME Corp. says they are outsourcing to Outer Mongolia, expecting a savings of $1,000,000. Laws could have required, to get the outsourcing green light, to dedicate X percent of those savings for Y years to worker retraining.
There are measures that could be taken, and the working class better start voting their pocketbook. Or prepare themselves for neo-serfdom.
I don't mind working hard. I just want it to amount to something.
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Smallest FSA,
Unfortunately all of that has changed for a myriad of reasons. Some of them actually not the fault of Bush.
So now you have executive & worker standing at the edge of the proverbial cliff with no good answers to the dilema you describe. The only solutions are those the suck the least. Which of course means that ALL the options still suck.
It's really tough when you look around for someone to blame and there really isn't anyone.
I don't know Bob...some how, I don't equate the executive on the same cliff as the regular working joe.
With regard to blaming someone...since the government needs tax $$ to function and freely takes it from all working legal citizens,IMO, Congress and the administration have an obligation and duty to keep jobs in the U.S. Provide for laws that protect the work force, and foster a livable wage to raise and educate a family, with enough to provide yourself some seblance of a retirement that will augment Social Security.
Uh, No.
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Let's take a little sided trip on this analogy; what happens when the ex-ACME (and maybe unemployed) employe can not afford the product the ACME produces in Outer Mongolia? Multiply that by other outsouced jobs and what do you have?
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My father-in-law (UAW) and I (IAM) used to have that discussion. So long as we drew good wages, I could buy his cars, and could could fly my airline.
Now, I can't buy his car, and what with GM passing health care costs onto him in his retirement (I can think of few things more despicable than to let someone retire on good terms and in good faith, and then unilaterally renege - WTF is he supposed to do - get another job at 70? :angry: ), he can't fly my ex-airline.
As you point out, that dynamic will reach critical mass, and all I can say is, check out my tag line.
Half the rampers let go or who are still w/ the company that are in their 40's - 50's can hardly walk or lift their arms....thats just another area the company lacks in.."taking care of the people who have given up their bodies"
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As you point out, that dynamic will reach critical mass, and all I can say is, check out my tag line.
I agree. And I've always said that the masses will magically remember how to build guillotines again. Soon.
