UnitedChicago
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kcabpilot...yeah...sounds about right.
stop whining...just be happy you have a job. go post on Yahoo.
stop whining...just be happy you have a job. go post on Yahoo.
UnitedChicago
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kcabpilot...yeah...sounds about right.
stop whining...just be happy you have a job. go post on Yahoo.
stop whining...just be happy you have a job. go post on Yahoo.
UnitedChicago
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Sorry for the duplicates...there was an error when i posted.
can you remove my dups moderator? thanks!
can you remove my dups moderator? thanks!
UnitedChicago
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kcabpilot...yeah...sounds about right.
stop whining...just be happy you have a job. go post on Yahoo.
stop whining...just be happy you have a job. go post on Yahoo.
UAL777flyer
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kcabpilot,
Oh, gee, let me apologize to you for my posts being so lengthy. Sorry if you're having a tough time keeping up. Is my word selection a bit difficult for you, also? You see, I like to clearly and concisely state my point and back it up with an explanation, if necessary. That way it's easier for people to tell where I'm coming from, instead of simply a few sentences thrown out there that contain nothing but the usual whining and complaining and lack anything close to creative suggestions to solving problems. I mean you even complain about the length of people's posts. Is there anything you DON'T complain about?
I honestly don't doubt that you do a fine job of fixing and maintaining our fleet. I won't question that. It's your attitude that I question. If you think the IAM is going to skate by without giving back a paycut, I think you're mistaken. They can posture and hold-out all they want, but they're in a lose-lose situation. The only way their contribuation can be significant enough to be accepted and not include paycuts, would be via a DRAMATIC altaration of work rules/staffing requirements. Doing that would entail the further loss of thousands of maintenance jobs and could probably include shutting down IND for good. Just a guess on my part, of course.
I'll ask you again: are you active in your union to try to make positive change? Simply shouting complaints from the rooftops isn't going to get you anywhere. You think you're alone in seeing lousy managers? Believe me, there are many everywhere. They may be good at their jobs in terms of knowledge, but they lack anything close to leadership, motivational and people skills. But that will change. The reason that was allowed to be present was due to the incompetent leaders we had running this airline up until Tilton arrived. I realize you're skeptical. Can't say I blame you. But have you met Tilton in person yet? Have you heard him talk in person? I have. He is the true leader that UA has needed. He has no tolerance for BS. He wants results and he wants accountability, from everyone, including senior leaders, which is something that hasn't really existed around here for a long time. I'm firmly convinced he means business and will turn this airline on its' ear to force needed change. It'll just take a little time to manifest itself. First priority is stabilizing our finances. Once that is accomplished, you are going to see dramatic changes that will amaze you. Things that go against the old United way of doing things. But I think the no good deed will go unpunished days are coming to an end. I just hope for the sake of ALL of us UA employees, that it doesn't involve going through bankruptcy court. Because if it does, you have no idea how much uglier it is going to get. Your union is better off dealing with the company outside of Ch.11. You won't like what happens if it's the other way around. None of us will.
Oh, gee, let me apologize to you for my posts being so lengthy. Sorry if you're having a tough time keeping up. Is my word selection a bit difficult for you, also? You see, I like to clearly and concisely state my point and back it up with an explanation, if necessary. That way it's easier for people to tell where I'm coming from, instead of simply a few sentences thrown out there that contain nothing but the usual whining and complaining and lack anything close to creative suggestions to solving problems. I mean you even complain about the length of people's posts. Is there anything you DON'T complain about?
I honestly don't doubt that you do a fine job of fixing and maintaining our fleet. I won't question that. It's your attitude that I question. If you think the IAM is going to skate by without giving back a paycut, I think you're mistaken. They can posture and hold-out all they want, but they're in a lose-lose situation. The only way their contribuation can be significant enough to be accepted and not include paycuts, would be via a DRAMATIC altaration of work rules/staffing requirements. Doing that would entail the further loss of thousands of maintenance jobs and could probably include shutting down IND for good. Just a guess on my part, of course.
I'll ask you again: are you active in your union to try to make positive change? Simply shouting complaints from the rooftops isn't going to get you anywhere. You think you're alone in seeing lousy managers? Believe me, there are many everywhere. They may be good at their jobs in terms of knowledge, but they lack anything close to leadership, motivational and people skills. But that will change. The reason that was allowed to be present was due to the incompetent leaders we had running this airline up until Tilton arrived. I realize you're skeptical. Can't say I blame you. But have you met Tilton in person yet? Have you heard him talk in person? I have. He is the true leader that UA has needed. He has no tolerance for BS. He wants results and he wants accountability, from everyone, including senior leaders, which is something that hasn't really existed around here for a long time. I'm firmly convinced he means business and will turn this airline on its' ear to force needed change. It'll just take a little time to manifest itself. First priority is stabilizing our finances. Once that is accomplished, you are going to see dramatic changes that will amaze you. Things that go against the old United way of doing things. But I think the no good deed will go unpunished days are coming to an end. I just hope for the sake of ALL of us UA employees, that it doesn't involve going through bankruptcy court. Because if it does, you have no idea how much uglier it is going to get. Your union is better off dealing with the company outside of Ch.11. You won't like what happens if it's the other way around. None of us will.
mastermechanic
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Butting in with some old hash..might as well read it
United continues to quietly settle into the financial mud, believing that labor cuts and a loan guarantee will save it. The problem United faces is not the money the carrier is losing daily (say, $9 to $12 million) - that's just a symptom of what is affecting the airline. United's real challenge is that it's been rudderless for over two years. No strategy. No vision. Only stupid management tricks like mergers they they had to cancel, and expensive side shows like Avolar. Then its Board of Directors let the company drift for almost a year without a permanent CEO. Not just any year, but the most threatening and difficult year the airline industry has ever faced.
Another example of how UA senior management are deer in the headlights: they've ignored the effects all this may be having on their customer base. Story after story about the airline's dire problems and possible bankruptcy don't exactly get people eagerly looking for the phone to book a flight. Unless, of course, it's to book one to eat up their Mileage Plus account. United has apparently no strategy whatsoever to deal with and shore up the confidence of their passenger base.
United's future? Either way. There are lots of hats out there with lots of financial rabbits in them. Watch for some foreign investment or some other support proposed from key members of the Star Alliance. As the alpha bull in that herd, if United takes a tumble, Star could fall out of the sky.
United continues to quietly settle into the financial mud, believing that labor cuts and a loan guarantee will save it. The problem United faces is not the money the carrier is losing daily (say, $9 to $12 million) - that's just a symptom of what is affecting the airline. United's real challenge is that it's been rudderless for over two years. No strategy. No vision. Only stupid management tricks like mergers they they had to cancel, and expensive side shows like Avolar. Then its Board of Directors let the company drift for almost a year without a permanent CEO. Not just any year, but the most threatening and difficult year the airline industry has ever faced.
Another example of how UA senior management are deer in the headlights: they've ignored the effects all this may be having on their customer base. Story after story about the airline's dire problems and possible bankruptcy don't exactly get people eagerly looking for the phone to book a flight. Unless, of course, it's to book one to eat up their Mileage Plus account. United has apparently no strategy whatsoever to deal with and shore up the confidence of their passenger base.
United's future? Either way. There are lots of hats out there with lots of financial rabbits in them. Watch for some foreign investment or some other support proposed from key members of the Star Alliance. As the alpha bull in that herd, if United takes a tumble, Star could fall out of the sky.
mastermechanic
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Butting in with some old hash..might as well read it
United continues to quietly settle into the financial mud, believing that labor cuts and a loan guarantee will save it. The problem United faces is not the money the carrier is losing daily (say, $9 to $12 million) - that's just a symptom of what is affecting the airline. United's real challenge is that it's been rudderless for over two years. No strategy. No vision. Only stupid management tricks like mergers they they had to cancel, and expensive side shows like Avolar. Then its Board of Directors let the company drift for almost a year without a permanent CEO. Not just any year, but the most threatening and difficult year the airline industry has ever faced.
Another example of how UA senior management are deer in the headlights: they've ignored the effects all this may be having on their customer base. Story after story about the airline's dire problems and possible bankruptcy don't exactly get people eagerly looking for the phone to book a flight. Unless, of course, it's to book one to eat up their Mileage Plus account. United has apparently no strategy whatsoever to deal with and shore up the confidence of their passenger base.
United's future? Either way. There are lots of hats out there with lots of financial rabbits in them. Watch for some foreign investment or some other support proposed from key members of the Star Alliance. As the alpha bull in that herd, if United takes a tumble, Star could fall out of the sky.
United continues to quietly settle into the financial mud, believing that labor cuts and a loan guarantee will save it. The problem United faces is not the money the carrier is losing daily (say, $9 to $12 million) - that's just a symptom of what is affecting the airline. United's real challenge is that it's been rudderless for over two years. No strategy. No vision. Only stupid management tricks like mergers they they had to cancel, and expensive side shows like Avolar. Then its Board of Directors let the company drift for almost a year without a permanent CEO. Not just any year, but the most threatening and difficult year the airline industry has ever faced.
Another example of how UA senior management are deer in the headlights: they've ignored the effects all this may be having on their customer base. Story after story about the airline's dire problems and possible bankruptcy don't exactly get people eagerly looking for the phone to book a flight. Unless, of course, it's to book one to eat up their Mileage Plus account. United has apparently no strategy whatsoever to deal with and shore up the confidence of their passenger base.
United's future? Either way. There are lots of hats out there with lots of financial rabbits in them. Watch for some foreign investment or some other support proposed from key members of the Star Alliance. As the alpha bull in that herd, if United takes a tumble, Star could fall out of the sky.
mastermechanic
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Ahhh...Houston, I think we have a problem with this board...
UAL777flyer
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mastermechanic,
You bring up excellent points. However, ALL focus right now is on stabilizing our finances and avoiding bankruptcy. But trust me when I say that strategies, plans and changes are ready to be implemented, depending on whether we avoid Ch.11 or whether we're forced to file. If we go into bankruptcy, you can bet things will get a lot uglier than if we avoid it. So many plans and changes are ready and others are being finalized. There is a strategy and vision in place, even though the company hasn't done a good job of communicating it. But Tilton is the real deal. Little by little, he is fixing the old problems of rudderless leadership. He has put out the word to management (via the weekly Friday leadership conference calls) that he is going to be holding them 100% accountable for everything. Leadership accountability is something this airline hasn't had in years. So it's encouraging that those things are beginning to change. But, like you, I wish they would come quicker. But they are happening. So that's promising. But MAJOR changes are coming soon. Some of them are going to be shocking.
You bring up excellent points. However, ALL focus right now is on stabilizing our finances and avoiding bankruptcy. But trust me when I say that strategies, plans and changes are ready to be implemented, depending on whether we avoid Ch.11 or whether we're forced to file. If we go into bankruptcy, you can bet things will get a lot uglier than if we avoid it. So many plans and changes are ready and others are being finalized. There is a strategy and vision in place, even though the company hasn't done a good job of communicating it. But Tilton is the real deal. Little by little, he is fixing the old problems of rudderless leadership. He has put out the word to management (via the weekly Friday leadership conference calls) that he is going to be holding them 100% accountable for everything. Leadership accountability is something this airline hasn't had in years. So it's encouraging that those things are beginning to change. But, like you, I wish they would come quicker. But they are happening. So that's promising. But MAJOR changes are coming soon. Some of them are going to be shocking.
UnitedChicago
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UAL777Flyer:
Any info you can share on the shocking changes? You've peeked my curiostity!
By the way...kcabpilot probably hasn't factored in your typing speed when bashing your long posts. I'm guessing you're a fast typer
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Any info you can share on the shocking changes? You've peeked my curiostity!
By the way...kcabpilot probably hasn't factored in your typing speed when bashing your long posts. I'm guessing you're a fast typer
.UnitedChicago
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I'd love to. Will you be our driver?
UnitedChicago
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Now you're talkin!
UAL777flyer
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UnitedChicago,
No, I can't elaborate, sorry. As for kcabpilot, he's just a whining malcontent who loves to complain about everything and everyone, yet never offers anything close to a creative, well thought-out solution to a problem. But hopefully, either he'll change his continually lousy attitude, or the level of job cuts will eventually reach his seniority number! You see, he lacks the intellectual ability to defend his opinion in an adult and professional manner, so his frustrations and anger manifest themself in the form of insults and immature insinuations that clearly highlight his ignorance. And when he's called on the carpet for his never-ending complaining, he conveniently dodges the questions that are asked of him. People like him are unable to defend or debate their point of view without resorting to immature and childish name-calling. Maybe somebody needs to post a link to the Romper Room message board for him.
No, I can't elaborate, sorry. As for kcabpilot, he's just a whining malcontent who loves to complain about everything and everyone, yet never offers anything close to a creative, well thought-out solution to a problem. But hopefully, either he'll change his continually lousy attitude, or the level of job cuts will eventually reach his seniority number! You see, he lacks the intellectual ability to defend his opinion in an adult and professional manner, so his frustrations and anger manifest themself in the form of insults and immature insinuations that clearly highlight his ignorance. And when he's called on the carpet for his never-ending complaining, he conveniently dodges the questions that are asked of him. People like him are unable to defend or debate their point of view without resorting to immature and childish name-calling. Maybe somebody needs to post a link to the Romper Room message board for him.
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