Ward running for President again?

[Maark767]

The TWA voters will matter since I am guessing that more than 1000 will be back on the line by the time the vote comes up. Don't forget it was only a few votes that threw his ass out of office. And I can assure you that every former TWA f/a will vote, but not for him. We will once again block vote

John not only screwed the TWA'ers but his own as well. The RPA was a farce and illegal. How do you vote twice?

Tommie is no prize, but I am sure there is a much better candidate out there. From what I hear Tommie is not running again.

We voted twice because a no vote would have sent AA to BK and we would be working under very different agreement. I think he protected the membership by pushing for the RPA... he knew what things would look like if AA had a BK judge on their side.
Also John did not screw the TWA f/as .... It ALL came from AA and made the union look like the bad guy...

 

[nbmcg01]

We voted twice because a no vote would have sent AA to BK and we would be working under very different agreement. I think he protected the membership by pushing for the RPA... he knew what things would look like if AA had a BK judge on their side.
Also John did not screw the TWA f/as .... It ALL came from AA and made the union look like the bad guy...

We didn't vote twice. We voted once and it was a "no" vote. You go back to the table. The ONLY reason the vote had to be "done" by a certain date was the SEC report. AA knew that when the rank and file employees found out about the planned bonus payouts and other executive "perks" there would be no shared sacrifice. How can you begin to say that opening the vote and only allowing yes votes is honorable?

This issue has NOTHING to do with the SIA. This has to do with the treatment of all AA f/as. He "protected" the membership? He is not our father. If the company had negotiated in good faith, I would have no problem with the outcome. But the whole process was filled with childish antics which only served the elite executives. F/as are at the bottom of the labor food chain and for anyone to say that AA would have filed because of them just isn't so. Sometimes you need to know when to play hard ball and unfortunately JW was only up to T-ball. JW didn't screw the TWA f/as, he shared the "wealth". He screwed his entire membership.

As for voting blocks, it all boils down to how apathetic the f/as are in any given election. TH=B has been very benign compared to JW. "Do no harm"? I have been "disappointed" that LOAs have been signed without securing anything in return (extended recall or the addition of single block reserve spread days, any number of items) for the "help". In the end, I would "pit" her LOAs vs JWs loss of 6000 jobs, plus the illegal vote and TH-B would come out WAY on top.

I hope there will be someone with superior leadership qualities that will agree to throw their name into the mix for the next election. Unfortunately, people tend to vote for names they know and in many instances are "afraid" of anyone new. And then they complain about the same old being the same old.

And to clear up any misunderstanding re: RENO. They (especially) should have been given DOH. Under Allegheny-Mohawk it speaks to "remaining the same" which is why TWA should have been slotted, NOT DOH. It all boils down to relative seniority and the example I have always used is my own seniority. I haven't looked at the overall list so this is just an example. I was 1-14-1970. At TWA, I was approximately 1/4 down the seniority list out of 4200. DOH I would have been in the low 1000s out of 24000, which would equal "super seniority". Slotted by % I would have been around 6000. RENO by virtue of their being more junior to begin with would have had a different % value. Probably DOH. So please don't EVER think that we thought we were superior to RENO. Just the opposite. Your own past precedent of DOH to Air Cal and Trans Carib indicates a different approach (and everyone survived and now are happily entwined..lol) Had this issue gone to an arbitrator, I believe the outcome would have been different because of those other two. (and RENO would have benefited) It is what it is and those returning are doing just fine at the bottom so this is really a moot issue.

 

[Hunter]

1000 doesn't matter. If not for the 3000 + TW F/A's voting for THB, she wouldn't have had a chance. Besides, you don't need to be active to vote. Either active or furloughed, but with recall rights still active. I find it funny that after 6 years, some people still haven't moved on. [...]

You can be assured that the 1500 + active and furloughed former TWA flight attendants eligible to vote in the APFA national election will be well informed and vote as a block. Voter participation among this group in the last national officer election was over 80%, far and away higher than the APFA membership as a whole.

There is no question this election will be decided by a narrow margin. The former TWA flight attendant’s block vote will undoubtedly factor into the outcome; the only question is for whom will it be cast? It would be a miscalculation on the candidate’s part to assume that the answer to that question is a foredrawn conclusion.

 

[Veritas]

Also John did not screw the TWA f/as .... It ALL came from AA and made the union look like the bad guy...

What about the furlough pay, did the company demand that or was it a gratuitous offer by JW to surrender it for little or noting in return?

 

[L1011Ret]

We voted twice because a no vote would have sent AA to BK and we would be working under very different agreement. I think he protected the membership by pushing for the RPA... he knew what things would look like if AA had a BK judge on their side.
Also John did not screw the TWA f/as .... It ALL came from AA and made the union look like the bad guy...

You are so way off base with this one it is unblieveable. It was JW and only JW that disbanded the APFA merger committee whereupon he took charge after the merger committee had promised "no stapling." It is totally JW's idea. AA wanted slotting. The guy is a first class sleeze and liar.

 

[nbmcg01]

What about the furlough pay, did the company demand that or was it a gratuitous offer by JW to surrender it for little or noting in return?

Offered it up, no credit. It was done to cause the maximum amount of harm to the most senior furloughed from the TWA ranks. Hardest to reemployee and up to 49 years of airline f/a seniority.
The ultimate "gotcha".

On a conference call after the RPA, Jane Allen was actually laughing about the "gift".

 

[AC AA LA FA]

John Ward, for all he might be, or not be, has lost his ability to lead..

I can not support him.

 

[StraaightTaalk]

On a conference call after the RPA, Jane Allen was actually laughing about the "gift".

I'm no fan of JW, but do you really know for a fact that this happened? Sounds like urban legend to me.

 

[FurloughedByAPFA]

I'm no fan of JW, but do you really know for a fact that this happened? Sounds like urban legend to me.

Did you ever attend a Jane Allen "roundtable meeting"? If you did, you would know this sounds just like her! (She is an idiot).

 

[StraaightTaalk]

I agree, AC, JW is in no position to lead the union.

No support here.

 

[nbmcg01]

I'm no fan of JW, but do you really know for a fact that this happened? Sounds like urban legend to me.

Yep..No legend. The Company was astonished that an item that was not on the table was "offered". Of course the company could have said, "No thank you. That is unethical and obscene."...lol They took the "gift" and laughed all the way to the bank.

 

[galleyguy4u2]

Nancy at least we had a tough Union IFFA and we always got something back in return. Maybe our pay was not the same as AA pay rates, but our work rules allowed us to make the same money with more days off.

We never needed a trader to get rid of our trips or pick up. I could fly 80 hour in 12-13 day's and have the rest of the month off. Our trading was so simple and AA is so complicated. I had to pay a trader at AA to make my line work for me. There is so much they could learn from us.

P.S. VOTE FOR DIXIE DANIELS FOR YOUR NEGOTIATING TEAM.

 

[eolesen]

Did you ever attend a Jane Allen "roundtable meeting"? If you did, you would know this sounds just like her! (She is an idiot).

It does sound like her, but Jane is far from being an idiot. She might not know much about Flight Service, but she was a good negotiator and a good lawyer before that...

 

[StraaightTaalk]

Yep..No legend. The Company was astonished that an item that was not on the table was "offered". Of course the company could have said, "No thank you. That is unethical and obscene."...lol They took the "gift" and laughed all the way to the bank.

Yes, but who told you this? As much as I disliked Jane Allen, I cannot imagine her being that "open" about her glee over this issue.

 

[StraaightTaalk]

Nancy at least we had a tough Union IFFA and we always got something back in return. Maybe our pay was not the same as AA pay rates, but our work rules allowed us to make the same money with more days off.

We never needed a trader to get rid of our trips or pick up. I could fly 80 hour in 12-13 day's and have the rest of the month off. Our trading was so simple and AA is so complicated. I had to pay a trader at AA to make my line work for me. There is so much they could learn from us.

P.S. VOTE FOR DIXIE DANIELS FOR YOUR NEGOTIATING TEAM.

You and Nancy keep talking about this "flying fewer days and making more (or the same amount of) money." I do not see how this is possible. We are paid on an hourly rate, and if you fly more, you earn more. With the disparity in pay rates, I do not see how this is possible.

I am sure IFFA was great, but didn't you throw them out in favor of IAM?

P.S. It is a little late, at this point, to cast a ballot in the negotiating team elections.