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If AA went out of business my A&P career with a major carrier would probably be over, but not my life, nor my ability to troubleshoot and repair machines. On any given day I see several "Mechanic Wanted" signs, whether in a gas station, on the back of busses and trucks or in the newspaper. The MTA just keeps hiring mechanics from AA. I probably would not be interested because of the commute but the worse Aa makes things for us the easier they are making it to leave.

What are you waiting for then? If I was in your postion I would have signed up for the early out and taken one of those jobs. Waiting for things to get worse as a reason to leave just does'nt make sense.
 
After 2003 we (the wife and I) decided not to be dependent on AA. We gave up paying AA for inferior Health benefits this year. She became an RN, just picked up another job, per diem, at a rate thats even higher than what WN pays, she makes more after 2 years than I do after 30, we will get by, so will everyone else.

In other words you have the luxury of someone in your household making more money than you do. So if you do get your wish and AA goes under you can sit back and collect unemployment and take your time looking for another job. And what about all the other people who don't have that luxury? Or how about the retires? Do you care whappens to them or is this really just about you and how pissed off you are at AA?
 
Sad but true, we all shop at Walmart, and get a hard-one when Wall Street rallies and our 401K has a good day. Don't you just love it when your favorite stock moves higher even if it means thousands more workers on the street ?
Excuse me! I refuse to step foot inside a Walmart. Speak for yourself if you choose to speak out of both sides of your mouth. True union member here.
I beg to differ. Some of us refuse to shop at WalMart.
I'm included in your "some of us"
Same here.

I'm "some of us" as well, but to be fair, I'm pretty sure BarfBag was speaking in the general sense about America's middle class as a whole...
 
In other words you have the luxury of someone in your household making more money than you do. So if you do get your wish and AA goes under you can sit back and collect unemployment and take your time looking for another job. And what about all the other people who don't have that luxury? Or how about the retires? Do you care whappens to them or is this really just about you and how pissed off you are at AA?

Please, like you really care about anybody but yourself.

Like I've said before, if AA were to disappear the millions of people they fly would not stay home, other carriers would pick up their slots, their routes, their planes and their people. Pan Am went away, so did EAL and those that remained picked up all those things then and the same would happen now. Most of us have been through this before.
 
just remember that Wal-Mart may be one of the largest private employers in the US but there are alot of other large companies that have large numbers of minimum wage employees w/ few benefits. Most of the fast food industry and many big box and discount retailers are part of the problem as well.
I'm certainly not defending Wal-Mart but make sure you know the scope of the problem and make sure that if you avoid WM, you also avoid a whole lot of other companies.

Citibank is just one of the most recent large companies that have announced layoffs that have to be counted in 5 digits.....

The point is that there are ont very many easy places to work in the US anymore.... and large companies, not small businesses can be some of the most difficult for employees.

There is a reason why many people leave large companies and start their own small business..... lots of risk but a whole lot more control over your future.
 
I don't shop at Wal-Mart largely because there isn't one convenient to my home. They have some good deals on many of the things I buy at CVS, Walgreens or the supermarket. Wal-Mart has become one of the most successful multinational retailer through technology leadership & data mining, superior distribution and supplier relations, and effective cost cutting. Just because you feel you are too good to work there or don't like Wal-Mart clearly plenty of people are happy with the terms of employment they offer. Wal-Mart provides 2.2 million jobs that help families pay their bills and put food on their kitchen table. Have a look at Target and their labor practices:

A federal judge on Monday set aside an unsuccessful unionization election at the Target store in Valley Stream, N.Y., and ordered a new vote, finding that Target managers had intimidated workers and violated federal labor laws.

Judge Davis found, among other things, that Target managers had barred employees from wearing union buttons and distributing fliers, had improperly threatened to discipline employees who discussed union matters and had unlawfully threatened to close the store if the workers voted to unionize.

Target closed the Valley Stream store temporarily last month for remodeling. The union has asked the labor board to rule that the move was retaliation against workers for seeking to unionize. Target denies that, saying the remodeling was in the works for nearly two years.

http://www.nytimes.c...-stream-ny.html

https://www.youtube....h?v=gTMwr4fgmOA

https://www.youtube....h?v=opY43QC3cz0

https://www.youtube....h?v=NVqOxmb34yc

Josh
 
I don't know, all of the charges from UFCW against Target seem similar to the charges the IAM alleged against DL but I guess Target gets a pass here.

Josh
 
Just because you feel you are too good to work there or don't like Wal-Mart clearly plenty of people are happy with the terms of employment they offer. Wal-Mart provides 2.2 million jobs that help families pay their bills and put food on their kitchen table.

Depends on how loose your definition of "help" is...

Have a look at Target and their labor practices

Target doesn't get a "pass," either- at least not from me.

And let's also not forget that the Target workers weren't looking for "easy" jobs (whatever the f**k those are). The initial reason they decided to organize is because they wanted *more* hours. They were tired of getting 10-20 hours a week, and instead of seeing their hours increase, they watched as Target continued to hire more and more people at the same low hours.

...Which of course sounds very similar to a large Atlanta, Ga. based airline...

Buy local.
 
You'd think a company as large as Target could've come up with something better than this. BTW, why is it all union busters sound like they went to the same finishing school? Come up with some new code words already!

Worst.Video.Ever:

http://gawker.com/58...ees-must-endure

Meet Jim Rowader: Target's head of labor relations & fashion icon.

jim_rowader.jpg
 
Kev one of the YouTube links I had and the commentary from The Young Turks was that its ironic 1) Target hired union members to make the film and 2) union members agreed to make the film (for fee)!

So the target videos are worse than the DL videos and mailers?

Are these actors not true to union values as members of SAG-AFTRA?

https://www.youtube....h?v=opY43QC3cz0

Josh
 
They didn't work for free; he mentioned being paid on the union scale. Target will spend all kinds of money fighting it's own workers, and use union people to do so. Ironic.

As for their values? His rationale in your clip seemed feeble at best.

OTOH, AFTRA is also home to such "friends of labor" as Limbaugh, Hannity, and Bill O'Reilly, so maybe it's the wrong question to be asking...
 
Depends on how loose your definition of "help" is...

Target doesn't get a "pass," either- at least not from me.

And let's also not forget that the Target workers weren't looking for "easy" jobs (whatever the f**k those are). The initial reason they decided to organize is because they wanted *more* hours. They were tired of getting 10-20 hours a week, and instead of seeing their hours increase, they watched as Target continued to hire more and more people at the same low hours.

...Which of course sounds very similar to a large Atlanta, Ga. based airline...

Buy local.
If they take home a paycheck in any shape or form, they are getting help. I believe Target and Wal-Mart provides some level of employee discount which means their employees do obtain some tangible help w/ living.
No job will ever pay as much as we think it should, but there are plenty of people willing to work for the wages that mass retailers and fast food pay. Same as with that certain airline that also offers travel benefits which a whole lot of people think is one step short of winning the lottery. Let’s see…. 5% off of groceries or the opportunity to take a couple trips thru Europe or Asia (even if you realize later you can’t afford it and don’t really have the time to do it….)

If the economy didn’t have double digit unemployment levels under multiple administrations, it would be a whole lot easier to justify pay raises and an increase in the minimum wage.

You can shop at local stores if you want, but practically all large merchants use large numbers of minimum wage workers. It is practically impossible to buy everything a typical American household NEEDS, let alone wants, w/o using super-sized retailers. If you can figure out how to avoid it, post a log of your shopping activity and let us know how it is done.

An “easy” job – whatever you want to call it – would be one where you were hired w/ the expectation of lifelong employment, continuous raises, a largely if not entirely company funded benefits package, and no threat of layoffs or moves.

There might have been a relatively few jobs where that existed at one time, but that isn’t the case any more in practically any modern economy. Continuing to hold out hope that will exist is a guaranteed recipe for being defeated….

Target will spend all kinds of money fighting it's own workers, and use union people to do so. Ironic.

OTOH, AFTRA is also home to such "friends of labor" as Limbaugh, Hannity, and Bill O'Reilly, so maybe it's the wrong question to be asking...
As much as you and others don’t want to admit it, no company is going to welcome unionization and is going to do everything in its power to reduce the influence of labor and the more competitive the industry, the more the focus will be on limiting labor’s influence.
The reason why the airline industry has been the focus of business’ efforts to is because it is THE remaining industry that is so heavily unionized while at the same time is also so heavily unionized. Government and utilities have equal or higher levels of unionization but both have structural protections, even if some of those are falling.

You can make the discussion political if you want, but the decision is economic…. Business drives the economy, not government. Businesses will protect their ability to make money and do not like the risk that labor unions present to their ability to adapt to very fast-changing and very uncertain economic realities of the world we live in.

Labor might not want to hear it but part of the reason why the cuts at AA are so deep is because AA and its creditors don’t want to run the risk they will have to go down the road of fighting for labor cost cuts again…. We’ve seen the same thing over and over in the airline industry after prolonged attempts by the company (right or wrong) to reduce employee costs.
 
Depends on how loose your definition of "help" is...



Target doesn't get a "pass," either- at least not from me.

And let's also not forget that the Target workers weren't looking for "easy" jobs (whatever the f**k those are). The initial reason they decided to organize is because they wanted *more* hours. They were tired of getting 10-20 hours a week, and instead of seeing their hours increase, they watched as Target continued to hire more and more people at the same low hours.

...Which of course sounds very similar to a large Atlanta, Ga. based airline...

Buy local.

And a Dallas Texas one too.
 
As much as you and others don’t want to admit it, no company is going to welcome unionization and is going to do everything in its power to reduce the influence of labor and the more competitive the industry.

WN didnt.
 

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