USAPA Files

[Bear96]

"I see. So your position is that the East MEC did not do away with the pensions, and anyone who suggests otherwise is "biased against the East." Got it." No possible way Milady...the entire obliteration of pensions nationwaide within the airline industry's clearly the sole fault of the east mec (agreed by me to have been spineless idiots), not Alpo in general..and anyone who says otherwise is clearly just biased against Alpo Notional

Interesting read. Of course you ignore the fact that I have not accused anyone of being "biased against ALPA," while I have repeatedly been accused of being "biased against the East." So as usual you are not making sense.

Employing your inherent assumptions, so common amongst lawyers = everyone's self interested and utterly vile..so that could never be

I don't see how that is any less reasonable than your assumption that only ALPA is self-interested and utterly vile, and any alternative to ALPA will be relatively virtuous,selfless and altruistic just because it is not ALPA.

 

[EastUS]

I have no desire to dig through 530+ posts to find something previously cited somewhere "above." So I'll take you at your word that that came from ALPA C&B (or some internal policy / procedural rules or whatever; I'll just call it "C&B" for simplicity's sake).

So. See the problem? You are trumpteting the virtues of USAPA, which supposedly will have this novel idea that members must have a vote. But wait a minute. That is apparently nothing new!

Good plan. Sign me up.

your personal sloth does you no great credit, as said "above" made reference to a posting but a page or two hence within this thread...that you clearly didn't bother to even read. One wonders as to your trial prep diligence...but, no matter...I'm hardly likely to hire you.

"Supposedly" having a vaote and ACTUALLY having one is indeed "something new"...VERY new for line pilots.

"Good plan. Sign me up." Fine...kindly first become qualified to fly planes in additon to keyboards..get a job hereabouts, and better yet...actually think The first, and most onerous set of conditions to be met will take you years, self discipline, and personal sacrifice...the last? = A lifetime it seems. Cest Bon?..Oui? (you started this french sh-t..presumably, with lawyers' standard arrogance, imagining that you'd run unopposed within a group of "dumb pilots") Bon chance petite belle cherie...Ma fie?: Cest la vie, cest le guerre.

 

[AAA73Pilot]

I see. So your position is that the East MEC did not do away with the pensions, and anyone who suggests otherwise is "biased against the East." Got it.

Nice try again. If you were there then say so, if not why do you always up the ante to prove a point? Just by your statement you have absolutely no clue as to the ALPA structure that allowed this to happen. If you're so connected, how many signatures do you see on the LOA tossing the DB plan?

So this USAPA won't be interested in its self-preservation. If a challenger union pops up, USAPA will say, "OK, here. You can represent the LCC pilots. No biggie."

It all comes down to a vote. Is that a concept you can't comprehend? So once again to make your point you keep upping the conditions (ante). Your a lawyer? hhhmmm I am beginning to wonder.

 

[sharktooth]

So this USAPA won't be interested in its self-preservation. If a challenger union pops up, USAPA will say, "OK, here. You can represent the LCC pilots. No biggie."

I am sure the West pilots will be glad to hear this.

Quite possibly the most idiotic statement I have ever seen. Congratulations.

 

[Bear96]

I'm hardly likely to hire you.

True, because you likely cannot afford me.

"Good plan. Sign me up." Fine...kindly first become qualified to fly planes in additon to keyboards..get a job hereabouts, and better yet...actually think

Actually I am qualified to fly planes. (It's really not all that hard -- certainly less difficult than other things I have done in my life.) But I have no desire to work for an airline anymore.

I have had enough entertainment for one night. Thanks for the chuckles, ladies. Good night.

 

[Bear96]

OK, one more to keep up with my very eager fans who posted before I said my good nights. (I wouldn't want to disappoint my most loyal followers.)

If you're so connected, how many signatures do you see on the LOA tossing the DB plan?

I never said I was "connected." But I would imagine most (if not all) of the signatures tossing the DB plan are from people who were elected by East pilots. You know, the same people who will be voting for (and running ) USAPA.

 

[sharktooth]

True, because you likely cannot afford me.

You are quite correct. At $0.03 per hour no one could possibly afford some moron like you to fly their $42 million jet.

Actually I am qualified to fly planes. (It's really not all that hard -- certainly less difficult than other things I have done in my life.) But I have no desire to work for an airline anymore.

Ah, but we are talking about airplanes with actual people in them, not little plastic painted figures that you can crash without criminal action.

 

[AAA73Pilot]

I never said I was "connected." But I would imagine most (if not all) of the signatures tossing the DB plan are from people who were elected by East pilots.

Most and especially not all. Guess who's? And they are not part of the east MEC. Have a guess yet?

addendum: And why am I always defending our MEC? I can never figure that out. Oh well. Doesn't matter whose signature is on any ALPA generated document. It all flows through Herndon, one way or the other.

 

[Bear96]

Most and especially not all. Guess who's? And they are not part of the east MEC. Have a guess yet?

Ah I see. So we're back to the basic premise that the East MEC did not really get rid of the pension. Good luck selling that.

 

[AAA73Pilot]

Ah I see. So we're back to the basic premise that the East MEC did not really get rid of the pension. Good luck selling that.

Nope. I never said that. Nice try. but still not selling. Glad to see your reading skills are a-one. Reread the part about "especially not all" Make sense yet?

 

[EastUS]

Ah I see. So we're back to the basic premise that the East MEC did not really get rid of the pension. Good luck selling that.

Sigh..Ok..you've finally got us dead to rights here..we're all just secretly Alpo shills defending the actions of utterly cowardly, totally stupid, worthless
morons that were/are on the precious Alpo list of trusted servants/MEC douchebags. Now that the secret's out...can we get to the part wherein Alpo allowed the wholesale destruction of pensions nationwide without ANY perceptable "fight"?...Didn't think so.

PS: WTF's your actual motivation for haunting the various threads here?...Just curious...all are welcome

Your previous "sign me up" espoused personal arrogance equivalent to: "I could be a pilot for an airline tomorrow if I wanted...just ask me" I've clearly got some "issues" with my brothers/sisters out west..but they can actually fly planes to at least some extent, and I do have respect for that...don't start me on smarmy, arrogant mouthpieces

 

[nostradamus]

Copy of a letter sent to ALPA national by a Usairways pilot, name removed, sent in spring 2003.


"Dear Capt. Woerth,

I just received ALPA's "Just the Facts" bulletin dated March 21, 2003. While it does contain some useful information, the vast majority of ALPA-represented pilots are fully aware of all of the information contained in this document. Put more plainly, you are preaching to the choir. Since you are telling us facts that we already know, the larger, looming question, is that instead of just laying out the facts as presented, just what are you and the other members of the ALPA hierarchy going to do about these problems? Are we going to simply cave in again, like the majority of the gutless US Airways MEC just did, and give away many years of members' hard-earned pension money? This, on top of the many givebacks that were also outlined in your "Just the Facts".

What is sorely needed is for YOU, the supposed leader of ALPA to stand up and tell the world that we are not going to put up with this kind of treatment. You certainly didn't do that for the US Airways pilots. Do you intend to do it for the United pilots? Your own Northwest pilots? The Delta pilots? Where does it stop, on whose doorstep?

Even though you apparently refuse to accept it, just like me, you are also labor--pure and simple. Now you and your other ALPA National cohorts can walk around in your three-piece suits and rub elbows with the politicians and executives, but the fact that you are labor will never be forgotten by any one of these people, with the apparent exception of yourself and the other national ALPA officers. The question is, "What will it take for you to wake up and realize that fact?" It certainly didn't take gut labor issues like working conditions, pay or pensions. So, what will it take?

We have the most potent weapon that has ever been handed to a labor group in the form of a nationwide SOS. But it takes strong leadership to exercise that particular option. Do you think for even one fleeting moment that the US Airways pilots would have had their defined benefit pension fund terminated, if for one second either management or the Washington politicians were afraid that we would shut down the air transportation in this country, indeed, throughout the world?

In closing, I would strongly suggest that you wake up, stop drinking the Potomac water, and take your head out of the sand. Because if you do not, just like my pension money, there soon won't be any ALPA left for you to worry about."

 

[EastUS]

Copy of a letter sent to ALPA national by a Usairways pilot, name removed, sent in spring 2003.

Sorry Nos...Couldn't get through it all in the first attempt. :angry: I lost it after reading the line about asking for ANY "supposed leader of Alpa" to actually "stand up" :angry: Might as well expect a common garden slug to perform gymnastics.

 

[EastUS]

True, because you likely cannot afford me.




Actually I am qualified to fly planes. (It's really not all that hard -- certainly less difficult than other things I have done in my life.) But I have no desire to work for an airline anymore.

I have had enough entertainment for one night. Thanks for the chuckles, ladies. Good night.

"Actually I am qualified to fly planes." No doubt..just ask you

Whew!!..Lay-aa-dees and gentlemen...I believe that I've coaxed a full degree of mouthpiece arrogance out for all we dumb pilots to properly appreciate Let's all hear it for flying airplanes is easy..even a lawyer..an utter idiot, or any combination = a kennedy can do such After all: "It's really not all that hard -- certainly less difficult than other things I have done in my life."..except, perhaps...die from an overdose of arrogance? Silly me; I've spent literally years aloft..and I don't have such an attitude, nor do I ever imagine thinking that I could afford one such...but then...I didn't go to law school...sigh...Guess that I'll always suffer from at least some slight degree of humility, when faced with the real world's workings.

"I have had enough entertainment for one night." You should have..being the designated pole dancer, in sad need of attention, can wear one out I'd imagine. Pretenses towards speaking french must cost as well

PS Little Bear..."True, because you likely cannot afford me." Won't break your heart further milady. If your hourly rates, and professional abilities are reflected vis a vis your evident intellectual supremacy....I've got 5 bucks to offer for a year's retainer...that's cash mind you...and given the vast amount of time you spend on these boards performing pro bono services; I fully understand that you're in extremely high demand, so I'd otherwise up it to perhaps 10 bucks....But; With a moment's refelection; I've always preferred setting my legal issues within actually competent hands...so rest easy Your arrogance towards flight's likely refelected in a rather cavalier professional disregard as well...Were I interested in your services..it would be contingent upon your serving as opposing counsel...and then we'd have this silly conflict of interest thing

 

[luvn737s]

your personal sloth does you no great credit, as said "above" made reference to a posting but a page or two hence within this thread...that you clearly didn't bother to even read. One wonders as to your trial prep diligence...but, no matter...I'm hardly likely to hire you.

Your verbose Elizabethan rants do you no credit either young squire. Doth thee even know what the meaning of the word "hence" is?