Us71 Snn/phl 8/15

[real world]

Every foreign station has a limited supply of parts, things necessary to maintain the ETOPS of the a/c, slides, batteries, wheels, brakes, and common used everyday things as a/c engine oil is even shipped from the US to the international destinations in order to have them on hand.

[post="288618"][/post]​

Slides are not a station stocked item in seasonal markets, all the other stuff yes but no slides.

 

[MarkMyWords]

A slide is NOT provisioned to any out station. There is not a US slide anywhere in Europe or the aircraft would have been flown to the LGW or FRA for repair. The slide was blown in SNN resulting in the MEL. It was either deny 60 customers boarding, or cancel the flight and send a slide to SNN on todays flight or ferry the aircraft back to PHL.

Tough decision and customer preception may not be the greatest, but if the Station Manager and the Crew explained the situation properly, Customers would have understood. Anyone who was uncomfortable with the situation could have volunteered their space on that flight and taken the offered compensation.

 

[700UW]

That is funny, I have shipped slides to Europe and numerous other mtc stations.

 

[Dont call me Shirley]

I remember a slide being popped by the cleaners in FRA a while back, can't remember the A/C type. US was able to beg/borrow a slide from another carrier. My guess would be LH for an Airbus, Condor for a 767.



Most customer service agents would agree with the earlier posting that an outright cancellaion is easier to work than a "downsize" - whether caused by an A/C swap (ie 757 to 733) or an MEL like this case.

 

[MarkMyWords]

I am not sure I agree with that. 140 seats out of SNN would be better then 0. Yes it is hard to get 60 people to volunteer, but try finding 200 seats during peak season in Europe, especially after the BA fiasco this weekend. If there would have been an outright cancellation, think of the cost of meals and hotels for 200 customers while parts are shipped in to fix the airplane and the 24+ hour delay. (Not sure if the EU mandated compensation kicks in on a MTC issue, but if it does, then you need to add that amount being spent.)

Just my opinion......I'd take 140 seats and 60 DB's over a cancellation of 200 any day. Some seats are better then nothing.

 

[delldude]

I have to agree with 700. Not having the parts to fix the problem is a big issue. Now that all the shops are gone the company is at the mercy of the vendors who place US Airways just above PanAm on who's part gets fixed first.

You have 10 767 slides come in, 2 from American, 2 from Continental, 2 from
UPS, 2 from Delta, 1 from United and 1 from US Airways..

Who's slide do you think they work on first?

My money is on the company that will give them money on time with no threat of non payment for services..

US would be last on that list.

Guess what folks.. That part is NIS! (not in stock) We already robbed all the slides from the aircraft sitting at the vendor for heavy check... Can't buy one because we have no money, can't get one because the vendor does not trust us and can't borrow one because the other carriers don't believe we will give it back.

[post="288603"][/post]​

can't you guys see the forest through the trees???
this was planned not to be efficient but to get into AWA'S vendor out mode...its only an inconvienence until sometime after the merger.....ask anyone at ACT...and just wait...the big surprise is around the corner......

 

[robbedagain]

thanks for answering my questions. I was sure if the aircraft could mel a slide issue. thanks. but if the plane say had done a water landing for whatever reason, would this mel make it a bit longer for the folks to get out in less than 2 minutes?

 

[LGA / 037]

The funny thing is there was apparently no compensation given. There is no oversale or DB report generated for US71 8/15.

 

[BoeingBoy]

but if the plane say had done a water landing for whatever reason, would this mel make it a bit longer for the folks to get out in less than 2 minutes?

[post="288652"][/post]​

Someone who knows the plane and it's MEL better than me could give more specifics, but I presume that's why the rows were blocked - less pax capacity to offset the potential loss of an emergency exit.

Jim

 

[PITMTC]

That is funny, I have shipped slides to Europe and numerous other mtc stations.

[post="288628"][/post]​

Really? You remember shipping one of our slides, which are shelf life limited and time controlled changed, to a European station for stock? Hmmm.

 

[delldude]

Really? You remember shipping one of our slides, which are shelf life limited and time controlled changed, to a European station for stock? Hmmm.

[post="288668"][/post]​

never heard of overnite??/
stores for 767 to frankfurt or lime island or italy perhaps??

 

[PITMTC]

never heard of overnite??/
stores for 767 to frankfurt or lime island or italy perhaps??

[post="288670"][/post]​

What's your point? We are discussing whether or not we "used to" stock slides in Europe before the slide shop was closed. We used to do time changes in PHL and CLT and we stocked them at the three hubs just in case someone blew one. Did we stock $70k slides at European stations just in case also? I think not, because we have ferried aircraft back to the states for a bad slide before.

 

[delldude]

What's your point? We are discussing whether or not we "used to" stock slides in Europe before the slide shop was closed. We used to do time changes in PHL and CLT and we stocked them at the three hubs just in case someone blew one. Did we stock $70k slides at European stations just in case also? I think not, because we have ferried aircraft back to the states for a bad slide before.

[post="288673"][/post]​

good management thinking.......send one empty back across the pond.....'smatter,couldn't bum one from someone else?
and my point was directly related to your shot at 700......
you tell me we never ever shipped a slide across the pond and 700 says he did...i believe him.....

btw-hows zippy doing these days,its been awhile..................

dude you've been up all nite , take a nice nap......

 

[PITMTC]

good management thinking.......send one empty back across the pond.....'smatter,couldn't bum one from someone else?
and my point was directly related to your shot at 700......
you tell me we never ever shipped a slide across the pond and 700 says he did...i believe him.....
btw-hows zippy doing these days,its been awhile..................

[post="288676"][/post]​

Well answer this...How long has the MEL option that was used in this case, been available to us?

I didn't take a shot at 700. It's just that in my little time here, as a know-nothing management type who is to be blamed for all mistakes, I have never seen a widebody slide in a European station.

That's OK though, I shouldn't waste my time again. Your statement above in blue says it all.

 

[delldude]

Well answer this...How long has the MEL option that was used in this case, been available to us?

I didn't take a shot at 700. It's just that in my little time here, as a know-nothing management type who is to be blamed for all mistakes, I have never seen a widebody slide in a European station.

That's OK though, I shouldn't waste my time again. Your statement above in blue says it all.

[post="288683"][/post]​

It's just that in my little time here, as a know-nothing management type

then keep a lid on it.....
waaaaaaaaaaa