Dog Wonder
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US/Delta Slot and Facility Swap at LGA
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Wow...I think you should go to PHX and run the airline. We still get paychecks when we were so close to shutting down several years ago...what is the problem? You should share your vision in PHX. Do you really think this is as black and white as you paint it?
SS255
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HP used to have a nonstop LAX-JFK route. They cancelled it around the time of the merger, because it wasn't profitable. Go figure.
HP used to have a nonstop LAX-JFK route. They cancelled it around the time of the merger, because it wasn't profitable. Go figure.
That route was a perfect example of what was wrong with the old America West. Despite having no real customer base in either city (LA or NYC), it flew a business-heavy route between the two largest air markets in the country in direct competition with UA and AA (and their three-class service) plus DL and CO. Little wonder it made no money. It made no more sense for HP than would an AA route between PHX and CMH (two cities where HP was strong and AA weak).
Years earlier, HP tried the fantasy route between PHX and NGO. No wonder it visited Ch 11 early in its corporate history. Yet HP apparently learned nothing from that failure.
One thing to think about for customers who do fly out of LGA and connect. They could fly out of the Marine Terminal to DCA and connect to MCO. On the return they could connect thru CLT which would put you in the other terminal. Is you car at the Marine Terminal? Something most folks won't even think about.
nycbusdriver
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That's true. I guess the passenger will just have to endure the free 10-minute bus ride which operates about every 5 to 10 minutes. Boo hoo.
If they're going to MCO out of LGA, what in the world are they doing on LCC anyway? Can't be saving money if they are parking their car at LGA and paying those daily rates.
Dont call me Shirley
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Let the flames begin but I actually liked Wolf and Gangwal for the most part.
N924PS
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They were the last real "airline" guys that actually knew how to run an airline.
Although their ulterior motive was to put lipstick on the pig and merge it with UAL, during their tenure the product was really good (what do you think Piney Bob?) and all the DOT metrics were at the top.
However, when that did not come to fruition, Plan B was "there is no plan B."
"And that's the way it is......" (forgive me Mr. Cronkite!)
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I totally agree with this post. No "Plan B" aside, our product under Wolf and Gangwal was as good as anyone else's, and better than most. Our product was an award winning one that was borne out of the operational culture change that Wolf and Gangwal brought to this company starting in early 1996. Not to mention, our Envoy product was arguably the best transatlantic business class offering out there as evidenced by such awards as the "1999 Presidents Award of Distinction."
If we have a management team that seriously aims to position our carrier as the best in the business, we have the personnel to make it happen. We've done it before.
There has been a lot of turmoil in our business the last couple of years that have challenged the survival of our carrier as well as others. I hope that, once these storms pass-and they will-we, from the top down re-dedicate ourselves to be the kind of airline that people want to fly. We took a lot of pride in being a "Carrier of Choice." That phrase and how if transformed us into a great airline was one of the more positive aspects of Stephen Wolf's legacy here at US Airways.
This lga-dca swap was a desperation move to conserve cash,and stem the blood loss.The amount of dash 8's clogging up the air traffic at lga was sad.An important new york airport like lga needs aircraft of size to accomodate the majority of the flying public.With only 2 runways and no chance of expansion,the slots need to be utilized by larger aircraft.Also the dash 8's are aging fast,some over 20 years old.I see more dash 8's in the morning when I arrive waiting for parts as these aircraft are long on the tooth and many more cancellations which ruin the day for many travelers.
I know the rj's are costly to operate,but they are better received by the flying public and since they are newer, appear to have less maintainence issues.It seems to be only a matter of time before bits and pieces of US are sold off.The economy is still declining and fuel is rising slowly so US keeps burning the furniture.
I know the rj's are costly to operate,but they are better received by the flying public and since they are newer, appear to have less maintainence issues.It seems to be only a matter of time before bits and pieces of US are sold off.The economy is still declining and fuel is rising slowly so US keeps burning the furniture.
FutureUScapt
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To the contrary, this is a deal with long-term benefits for both parties. If US were simply looking to "burn the furniture" they'd have sold of the slots for cash to the highest bidder.
Dog Wonder
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Instead they traded the slots to the only bidder.
