US Airways's pilots are paid less than pilots at other airlines

[700UW]

WN's casm is still way lower then US.

They are growing, US is shrinking.

They still are profitable.

WN is kicking butt in PIT, and drove US' revenue down in PHL.

People have been saying WN's time will come for years, yet they are the most consistant when it comes to making a profit, and they carry more passenger domestically then any other carrier.

 

[insp89]

WN's casm is still way lower then US.

They are growing, US is shrinking.

They still are profitable.

WN is kicking butt in PIT, and drove US' revenue down in PHL.

People have been saying WN's time will come for years, yet they are the most consistant when it comes to making a profit, and they carry more passenger domestically then any other carrier.

Could it be that the reason Southwest's CASM is lower is mainly due to just one aircraft type ?

What about the other side of the coin ? RASM..

What about employee costs ?

What about Southwest's eroding fuel hedging advantage ? In order to stay profitable, LUV is forced to raise fares.

The playing field is leveling.

Southwest is kicking who's butt in PIT ?

Why is Usairways still in Philly ?
Why hasn't Southwest run US out of PHL ?

How much money does LUV make on International Routes ?

I do not think Southwest is going to disappear,
But they will become less dominate as time marches on.

 

[Pacemaker]

Here we go again.

First it was

"They'll never make it in the east with all the deicing and ATC delays"

then

"They're running out of new markets; they can't keep growing"

after 911 it was

"They're done; their 25-minute turns will never work under all this new security."

Now, it's

"Once their fuel hedging catches up to them they'll start losing money"

"They pay their pilots too much"

People, I don't think they're going anywhere. Face it; as much as we've improved they're still a lot better than us.

 

[insp89]

Here we go again.

First it was

"They'll never make it in the east with all the deicing and ATC delays"

then

"They're running out of new markets; they can't keep growing"

after 911 it was

"They're done; their 25-minute turns will never work under all this new security."

Now, it's

"Once their fuel hedging catches up to them they'll start losing money"

"They pay their pilots too much"

People, I don't think they're going anywhere. Face it; as much as we've improved they're still a lot better than us.

Pacemaker, I see you did'nt bother to address any of my questions.

Here we go again.

 

[EyeInTheSky]

Face it; as much as we've improved they're still a lot better than us.

Not from this passenger's standpoint. Sorry, I don't want to stand in line at the gate for an hour to get an ailse seat. Then when I get onboard I don't want to endure "toilet paper races."

Eye

 

[700UW]

If WN is so bad, why do they carry more passengers domestically then any other airline?

Why have they been profitable for over 30 years straight? Can you say that about any legacy carrier?

Why are they employees the highest paid and highest % of unionized workers?

Why are they continuing to grow while legacies shrink?

 

[ilg30/7]

Don't they also contract out a great deal of their MTC?


Their biggest cost advantage? They do point to point, which means they do it with far fewer employees. Should we emulate that as well, 700?

Or are we just cherry picking the parts of WN that we like, and emulating only the high pay?

 

[700UW]

WN outsources checks and they do some in-house also they have hangars at DAL and PHX.

They also have back shops in DAL, wheels and brakes, lavs, etc.

Most major airlines do some work in-house and vendor out some work.

Outsourcing mtc does not make an airline profitable.

 

[ilg30/7]

Outsourcing MTC, or not doing so, is one of the many decisions that determine a carrier's profitability.

Southwest has been profitable for 30+ years because they have kept their costs low. They have done this by doing it with far fewer employees - which a one aircraft, point - to - point model allows.

I see much posting about emulating Southwest's pay rates, but very little about emulating their productivity.

Are you sure you want LCC to emulate Southwest? Because something tells me if we did, we need about 1/2 of the employees we have.

 

[BottomFeeder]

WN outsources checks and they do some in-house also they have hangars at DAL and PHX.

They also have back shops in DAL, wheels and brakes, lavs, etc.

Most major airlines do some work in-house and vendor out some work.

Outsourcing mtc does not make an airline profitable.

I got an idea 700UW

You can join them, become the IAM Pres

Then you can become the LAVMAN again in the lav shop in DAL

Make big bucks for dump trucks

 

[700UW]

ff:
Wow, another amazing and intelligent response from you.

Did you get that from a 8 year old?

Come back when you can actually add to the topic at hand instead of making it about me.

You need to call the EAS.

 

[ClueByFour]

Not from this passenger's standpoint. Sorry, I don't want to stand in line at the gate for an hour to get an ailse seat. Then when I get onboard I don't want to endure "toilet paper races."

Eye

So print your BP before you leave home. I've never failed to get an "A" on LUV since they started web check in, and I don't show up early to do it.

 

[traderjake]

If WN is so bad, why do they carry more passengers domestically then any other airline?

Why have they been profitable for over 30 years straight? Can you say that about any legacy carrier?

Why are they employees the highest paid and highest % of unionized workers?

Why are they continuing to grow while legacies shrink?

Because they don't have the IAM accusing management of taking their work when they try to fix the Philly baggage problem.

 

[700UW]

Wow, such remarkable insight is going on tonight.

By the way the Customer Service and Reservation Agents at WN are IAM.

The level of intelligence is astonishing tonight.

 

[EyeInTheSky]

So print your BP before you leave home. I've never failed to get an "A" on LUV since they started web check in, and I don't show up early to do it.

Nah. I'll stick to airlines with seat assignments. I've flown SW one too many times and have always been p'od by the waiting in line to get the seat game.

Eye