EyeInTheSky
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BoeingBoy said:
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Subliminal messages..oooh.
TheLarkAscending
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USA320Pilot said:
Okay, okay, okay, uncle! Just how many times are you going to post this? If I were interested in doing a search of your posts containing the same or similar verbage, the resultant number of your repetitive platitudes, on this subject alone, would be staggering! Everyone knows your stance. Get over it, it is done! Move on, look to the future and stop being bitter, angry and hostile (funny, isn't that what you advise everyone else to do?) about the RC4 (minus one). You've forged one sizeable rut in which you can constantly run .... how proud you must be that you've sunk so much positive time into a non-productive preoccupation with people and events cemeted in the past.
RowUnderDCA
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Now would be a good time to stop telling him that he's always wrong.
EyeInTheSky said:
Eye:
It's been awhile since I've brought this up,
but I think it is materially important to the
future of airline employees.
Why are airline unions needed anyway? Why
not let the free market determine work rules
and salaries in the airline industry, just as it
does with many industries south of Virginia?
At will employment works for the vast
majority of employees as long as they are
willing to do the job they are being paid to do.
Federal and State labor laws pretty much
protect employees from the abuses that
caused the formation of unions in the 1920's,
and any airline could make it as a non-union
entity today.
In general, unions have improved the quality
of life for employees, but they have also
hindered the flexibility of corporations in
reacting to market changes, which in turn
limits the ability of the unions to make
large gains in contract negotiations.
During growth periods, corporations will
give up more than they can afford just
to keep the peace with unions. When a
particular industry is in a contraction mode,
such as the airlines are now, it is essential
to bring unionized costs back into line,
and federal bankruptcy laws are being
used as the main tool to do so.
Without a unionized workforce, it is
unlikely that US or UA would have chosen
to go to CH11 due to the amount of
control that is lost to creditors and other
outside influences.
Something to think about.
- Banned
- #36
Why don't you go ask the the fleet and customer service workers who in 1992 were non-union about why they voted a union in?
Lets see the company did the following:
Cut their pay
froze their pension
eliminated vacation
eliminated sick time
eliminated OJI time
Cut 40% of the workforce to part-time which meant they had to pay full familiy rate for insurance on a 25 hour a week pay check.
Outsourced, Mail, Freight, Express work and Catering.
Yep the company treated those employees real nice, NOT!
And just remember, the company agrees with the contents of a contract when they agree to a T/A.
Oh and answer me this, WN has the highest % of unionized employees, they pay those employees the highest rates of pay in the industry and yet they have been profitible for over 30 years while every other major carrier is losing their shorts.
Lets see the company did the following:
Cut their pay
froze their pension
eliminated vacation
eliminated sick time
eliminated OJI time
Cut 40% of the workforce to part-time which meant they had to pay full familiy rate for insurance on a 25 hour a week pay check.
Outsourced, Mail, Freight, Express work and Catering.
Yep the company treated those employees real nice, NOT!
And just remember, the company agrees with the contents of a contract when they agree to a T/A.
Oh and answer me this, WN has the highest % of unionized employees, they pay those employees the highest rates of pay in the industry and yet they have been profitible for over 30 years while every other major carrier is losing their shorts.
EyeInTheSky
Veteran
SpinDoc, your summarzation of unions reads like a 8th grade essay. In a perfect world, yes, unions would not be needed. But, we don't live in a perfect world and people need to have a system of checks and balances. You can say unions are the root of all evil, but why did a company or for that matter an industry allow itself to get to the point where union representation was needed? I mean we can spin this a million ways.
EyeInTheSky said:
I'm not trying to spin this. My point is that
at least 75% of all businesses today operate
without unions, and their employees are
not unnecessarily unhappy or forced to work
in conditions they don't agree with. If we
go back to the 1920's, unions were started
to deal with safety issues that were not
being addressed by federal and state laws.
In 2005, this purpose is not needed.
In my line of work, I don't have union
protection, nor would I want it. I am
accountable for what I do and how I
meet my goals. I don't want or need
someone else determining my
earning potential or career path.
cltbay1homie
Advanced
700UW said:
And I have to ask for your answer.
700UW said:
I do pretty well among my peer group in
similar industries/positions. I guess it is
all dependent upon how well an employee
represents themselves, and whether or
not they show up every day and do the
job they're paid to do. That's the benefit
of the free market.
cltbay1homie
Advanced
700UW said:
700..how many holidays does a person need in one year along with their vacation and sick time? <_<
