Ramp Rogue
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How do you know that it is DOH? And if so, is it across the board or for the select few as it has always been?
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How do you know that it is DOH? And if so, is it across the board or for the select few as it has always been?
Tim Nelson
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Not trying to be crude but I laid everything out for you guys on this website, including the UA merger [4 days before Tilton announced they were looking]. It is my understandnig that this was a done deal around 45 days ago and I informed you folks that it the deal will be an August deal.
I have 'top sources' and have also told you folks what the top out is. Although I wish it were $19 for you folks, this is simply not true. As I have stated, $17.85ish is the top out. Basically a .50cent raise for class 1 stations. Also, there is just an extra week of vacation for some,not all.
regards,
Without seeing the final TOS numbers, it appears that the IAM used the leverage of the East "change of control" arbitration for gains to Class 2 cities, West employees and the IAM (West put into the IAM pension fund, etc.). This is a BIG LOSS for most East employees as their grievence was given away by their union.
Henderfuzz
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Tim if your right than the IAM is pretty stupid. Becasue with that as a top out this will be without a doubt dead on arrival. They know the hubs would never agree to that as a top out. As for the Class 2 cities most of them wont either. Time will tell I guess
Henderfuzz
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DOH is part of the IAM bylaws and there was really never a question about that.
At least thats my understanding
wings396
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If it's out of the contact, it applies to everyone. I read the posted info, and it says nothing about excluding anyone.
freedom
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If this is true than what have we really gained besides job protections in the new contract ? Now this complicates the matter , at a 19 dollar top out i could easily vote yes . At a 17.85 top out , i'm not so sure , i mean i'm desperate for a raise , but just because i'm impoverised doesn't mean i'll accpept an insulting offer ..
This all hinges on the details of the contract that will be posted on the 14 , do we get holiday pay ? are we keeping pofit sharing ? What are the steps for the raises ? i have so many questions ...
heres what the west loses: Immediate ratification would cause TUS/COS/LGB to be outsourced less than 14 mainline. loss of sick time, loss of holidays, longer to vacation weeks, loss of double time. who knows what cities will go in 2012
west gains: significant wage increases, and a pension that gives more than the 401k, but 401k are more employee friendly in times of need.
TIM I have heard the top out is 19.00 after 12yrs of service so your 17.85 might be the 10 yr of service pay.
Questions that linger and will be found out soon that coud negatively impact west are: limited trades, significant increases in insurance premiums that wipe out the raise you get, no short term disability.
what the east employees get: raise and 1 payscale, shorter vacation accrual days, better scope language, no 60 day rule, improved sick time, improved leave of absence.The way I see it is the east gains everywhere, they dont lose anything they already did give back.
Now for west employees who werent in Chp 11 whos contract is currently ammendable has to give back to the company that is making significant profits. At first when writing the post I was undecided now Im a NO VOTE.
west gains: significant wage increases, and a pension that gives more than the 401k, but 401k are more employee friendly in times of need.
TIM I have heard the top out is 19.00 after 12yrs of service so your 17.85 might be the 10 yr of service pay.
Questions that linger and will be found out soon that coud negatively impact west are: limited trades, significant increases in insurance premiums that wipe out the raise you get, no short term disability.
what the east employees get: raise and 1 payscale, shorter vacation accrual days, better scope language, no 60 day rule, improved sick time, improved leave of absence.The way I see it is the east gains everywhere, they dont lose anything they already did give back.
Now for west employees who werent in Chp 11 whos contract is currently ammendable has to give back to the company that is making significant profits. At first when writing the post I was undecided now Im a NO VOTE.
Ramp Rogue
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For your info, everyone doesn't go by DOH as the iam states. We go by three different seniority systems. When HP is included, it will be four different seniority systems. That is why there are so many problems regarding seniority. It has to once and for all be DOH across the board for every single ramp agent. Not just for some as it is now.
perserverance
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It's my understanding that in the proposal, with the so called increase going into the pension plan that we will no longer participate in the ''profit sharing''. The proposal does sound like the company is relying on Class II stations and the junior work force in Phl to vote this through. I hope the acting leadership in Phl educates the new employees and gives them all the info they need....I also heard that it looks like a .50 cent raise for topped out employees' bringing them up to $17.85...This doesn't feel good..I understand how in the Class II stations this proposal could sound appealling but I see the top out of $17.85 and thats' not good enough for me. I wonder if it gets' voted down will the company make a last ditch effort to make a deal before the arbitraitor hears the case..........Just my thoughts.....Thanks.
Harry Callahan
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If it gets voted down you can COUNT ON a much better offer. They do not want this thing to go to arbitration imo.
Jimmy Neutron
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Good for you...now try and convince the other members in your stations to vote no and send a clear message to this company and the union....we are tired of getting sh#t on...eneough is enough...send them back to the table...after the change of control is decided.....
philly rocks
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As an outsider, I wouldn't drop that change of control grievance! We have already learned the hardway in pax service. Same deal, read our contract. The west gains the most, they have no adjusted pay date seniority in is DOH. Been there already and our group can tell you to take your chance with the grievance. If we had the chance it would have been all or nothing. Your furloughed employees will vote yes, class II cities will vote yes, it will be rigged. Bet it is a phone in vote.
Don't fall for what we wound up with~ The west gained on everything and the east was hung out to dry.
Don't fall for what we wound up with~ The west gained on everything and the east was hung out to dry.
kao
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for the record---west did not gain "everything"...we lost alot. It is not like we got a say in becoming part of this association or the things that were negotiated this past year. The negotiators decided our future without our say. We learned everything after the fact and we are dealing with it. Very wrong of you to say we gained on everything. Both east and west have lost and gained something....IMO west has lost more. What was the result of our change of control issue....we got sold down the river. Seems to me there was this big rush to have the CSRs and CSAs "united" under one contract....did "we" not have the balls to hold out like the other work groups? Sorry, off my high horse...but please, let it be known we have lost alot whether you think so or not.
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delta777
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As Pineybob stated earlier, you have a 50/50 chance of hitting that $625 million jackpot. Could the odds be any better? And if the top out is only $17.85ish as some have said, why wouldn't you let it go to arbitration? This is vittles compared to what Senior Management has raked in in the last few years, which was essentially financed by the artificially low wages at LCC. At the very least, vote down the first offer and tell the IAM to get their a$$es to work and don't bother coming back until they bring a legitimate offer.
