Updated Fleet Plan
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autofixer
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I used to ferry C-130s to Birmingham all of the time for heavy maintenence in the eary 1980s. I think the company was called Hays Aviation. I recall it was a huge facility there at the airport. I believe they did KC-135s also...they have Boeing experience.
Well, subtracting out one 767 gives a total of 10 767-200's and 9 A330-300's for the transatlantic fleet. With daily flights to LGW and CDG from PIT and CLT (FRA seems to be gone for both for the summer), along with daily frequencies to DUB, SNN, MAN, AMS, FRA, MUC, FCO, and MAD , as well as double-daily LGW and CDG from PHL, that's 16 frequencies (8 on 333, 8 on 767). It also seems that there's a 767 flying PHL-CLT-SJU-CLT-PHL daily (morning until early evening) as well as a 330 flying PHL-SJU-PHL. That would seem to account for all 9 330's and allow for one to remain at PHL overnight each night for maintenance. There's also a 767 going CLT-LAX-CLT, remaining overnight at LAX, which gives 10 767's, but that may not take a reduction in the 767 fleet into account.
It's surprising to me to see FRA out of the picture for both PIT and CLT, unless the plan is to funnel passengers to UA or LH at IAD/EWR/BOS/ORD (there's no service from PIT/CLT to JFK).
I'm not sure I understand parking the Airbuses unless they've got relatively high lease costs and/or are scheduled for a heavy check. I assume the GE financing comes at the cost of maintaining leases on aircraft in which GE has a financial interest, of course.
It's surprising to me to see FRA out of the picture for both PIT and CLT, unless the plan is to funnel passengers to UA or LH at IAD/EWR/BOS/ORD (there's no service from PIT/CLT to JFK).
I'm not sure I understand parking the Airbuses unless they've got relatively high lease costs and/or are scheduled for a heavy check. I assume the GE financing comes at the cost of maintaining leases on aircraft in which GE has a financial interest, of course.
Are the seven Airbuses being parked coming from the Shuttle fleet? As I recall, the Shuttle was the first part of the US system to get the Airbus, so if the airline is pulling its oldest 320s, it would probably be those, right? I guess that would also make sense as part of the plan to shift Shuttle flying to the 319s.
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[BLOCKQUOTE][BR]----------------[BR]On 1/17/2003 1:58:17 PM sfb wrote:
[P][BR]It's surprising to me to see FRA out of the picture for both PIT and CLT[BR][BR][BR]------------[/P][/BLOCKQUOTE]
[P]I just went to the web site and checked for july and CLT-FRA is still operating.[/P]
[BLOCKQUOTE][BR]----------------[BR]On 1/17/2003 1:58:17 PM sfb wrote:
[P][BR]It's surprising to me to see FRA out of the picture for both PIT and CLT[BR][BR][BR]------------[/P][/BLOCKQUOTE]
[P]I just went to the web site and checked for july and CLT-FRA is still operating.[/P]
oldiebutgoody
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The shuttle is flown with 319 and 320 aircraft. I've been on both, but mostly 319s to LGA
The shuttle was not the first part of the company to get buses, mainline was with 319s the shuttle is flown with 320 aircraft, the first mainline cities that saw the airbus was clt, phl, rdu and tpa in October of 1998. The shuttle got A320 service starting in 1999.
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[BLOCKQUOTE][BR]----------------[BR]On 1/17/2003 5
18 PM A&P Tech wrote:
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[BLOCKQUOTE][BR]----------------[BR]On 1/17/2003 10:03:02 AM Biffeman wrote: [BR][BR]Auto they cannot vendor out heavy checks[BR]----------------[BR][/BLOCKQUOTE][BR]I agree with you about contracting out heavy mtc. But do you remember the CFM's? We used to own a facility called Airmotive who did mtc on those motors, the company sold Airmotive and then contracted out the CFM's to GE stating they did not have the facilities to overhaul the engines. The union let them get away with that and now that TPA is history, I think the same is going to happen with the Airbuses. No hangar or tooling, contract them out.
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[P][/P]First of all the union did not let them get away with it, it went to arbitration and we lost. Second we never did the overhaul of the cfm56 in house. ANd we have the facilities and tooling, to overhaul the buses, so that arguement won't fly
[BLOCKQUOTE][BR]----------------[BR]On 1/17/2003 5
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[BLOCKQUOTE][BR]----------------[BR]On 1/17/2003 10:03:02 AM Biffeman wrote: [BR][BR]Auto they cannot vendor out heavy checks[BR]----------------[BR][/BLOCKQUOTE][BR]I agree with you about contracting out heavy mtc. But do you remember the CFM's? We used to own a facility called Airmotive who did mtc on those motors, the company sold Airmotive and then contracted out the CFM's to GE stating they did not have the facilities to overhaul the engines. The union let them get away with that and now that TPA is history, I think the same is going to happen with the Airbuses. No hangar or tooling, contract them out.
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[P][/P]First of all the union did not let them get away with it, it went to arbitration and we lost. Second we never did the overhaul of the cfm56 in house. ANd we have the facilities and tooling, to overhaul the buses, so that arguement won't fly
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[BLOCKQUOTE][BR]----------------[BR]On 1/17/2003 4:33:51 PM Biffeman wrote:
[P]the 319 was used on iad-bos and iad-lga, bos-dca, the shuttle primary aircraft meaning bos-lga and lga-dca is the 320[/P]----------------[/BLOCKQUOTE]
[P][/P][BR]319s, and 320's are both utilized between DCA-LGA-BOS as well as DCA-BOS. [BR]
[BLOCKQUOTE][BR]----------------[BR]On 1/17/2003 4:33:51 PM Biffeman wrote:
[P]the 319 was used on iad-bos and iad-lga, bos-dca, the shuttle primary aircraft meaning bos-lga and lga-dca is the 320[/P]----------------[/BLOCKQUOTE]
[P][/P][BR]319s, and 320's are both utilized between DCA-LGA-BOS as well as DCA-BOS. [BR]
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On 1/17/2003 10:03:02 AM Biffeman wrote:
Auto they cannot vendor out heavy checks
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I agree with you about contracting out heavy mtc. But do you remember the CFM's? We used to own a facility called Airmotive who did mtc on those motors, the company sold Airmotive and then contracted out the CFM's to GE stating they did not have the facilities to overhaul the engines. The union let them get away with that and now that TPA is history, I think the same is going to happen with the Airbuses. No hangar or tooling, contract them out.
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On 1/17/2003 10:03:02 AM Biffeman wrote:
Auto they cannot vendor out heavy checks
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I agree with you about contracting out heavy mtc. But do you remember the CFM's? We used to own a facility called Airmotive who did mtc on those motors, the company sold Airmotive and then contracted out the CFM's to GE stating they did not have the facilities to overhaul the engines. The union let them get away with that and now that TPA is history, I think the same is going to happen with the Airbuses. No hangar or tooling, contract them out.
oldiebutgoody
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[BR][BR]
[BLOCKQUOTE][BR]----------------[BR]On 1/17/2003 4:33:51 PM Biffeman wrote: [BR][BR]the 319 was used on iad-bos and iad-lga, bos-dca, the shuttle primary aircraft meaning bos-lga and lga-dca is the 320----------------[/BLOCKQUOTE][BR][BR]I don't know where you get your info, but you need another source.
[BLOCKQUOTE][BR]----------------[BR]On 1/17/2003 4:33:51 PM Biffeman wrote: [BR][BR]the 319 was used on iad-bos and iad-lga, bos-dca, the shuttle primary aircraft meaning bos-lga and lga-dca is the 320----------------[/BLOCKQUOTE][BR][BR]I don't know where you get your info, but you need another source.
