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After the 52 is that the end of pilot layoffs?
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chipmunn
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Reports indicate the GECAS and US Airways global settlement to resolve all financial issues between the parties, where GECAS will provide the airline with additional financing, contains a clause where US Airways will return nine B737s to service.
To maintain the fleet at 279 aircraft, in April the airline will remove one B767, one B757, and seven Airbus aircraft from service.
The new pilot bid will be posted around January 30 to reflect this change and to provide positions for the new Shannon and Dublin service. In addition, reports indicate the company may furlough the last 52 pilots during this bid, which were replaced by Check Airman returning to the line.
Chip
To maintain the fleet at 279 aircraft, in April the airline will remove one B767, one B757, and seven Airbus aircraft from service.
The new pilot bid will be posted around January 30 to reflect this change and to provide positions for the new Shannon and Dublin service. In addition, reports indicate the company may furlough the last 52 pilots during this bid, which were replaced by Check Airman returning to the line.
Chip
mentorforhealth
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Chip
Where did you get the information about the 52 furloughs. ALPA states:
Please remember we have 1,748 pilots on furlough, with 79 pilot furloughs scheduled for February 4.
Is this an assumption that 52 more pilots will be furloughed or has ALPA and the company allowed additional furloughs even though there is a statement in the new T/A saying no additional furloughs will occur after the final 79 (a no furlough clause so to speak). Since GE has finished negotiations allowing 9 737's to be returned to the line, why is USAirways removing newer aircraft just to keep the fleet size at 279 (remember this is a minimum fleet size). It seems USAirways is doing every thing in its power to keep employees off the property. This doesn't effect me, I am already furloughed but the 52 pilots you are talking about will be concerned.
Mike
Where did you get the information about the 52 furloughs. ALPA states:
Please remember we have 1,748 pilots on furlough, with 79 pilot furloughs scheduled for February 4.
Is this an assumption that 52 more pilots will be furloughed or has ALPA and the company allowed additional furloughs even though there is a statement in the new T/A saying no additional furloughs will occur after the final 79 (a no furlough clause so to speak). Since GE has finished negotiations allowing 9 737's to be returned to the line, why is USAirways removing newer aircraft just to keep the fleet size at 279 (remember this is a minimum fleet size). It seems USAirways is doing every thing in its power to keep employees off the property. This doesn't effect me, I am already furloughed but the 52 pilots you are talking about will be concerned.
Mike
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chipmunn
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Mentor:[BR][BR]Mentor said: It seems USAirways is doing every thing in its power to keep employees off the property.[BR][BR]Chip answers: Agreed.[BR][BR]Chip comments: I believe the 52 are part of the 79. The ALPA modified restructuring agreement states, "Productivity Improvements specified in the Letter of Agreement shall be implemented in conjunction with attrition and shall not cuase any pilots to be furloughed or displaced to an SJ. This paragraph shall not apply to the pilots already scheduled for furlough as a result of Permanent Bid 03-01."[BR][BR]Chip
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How old is the oldest airbus in U's fleet?
ClueByFour
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I can't believe that US would park airbi in favor of 737s. *Groan*. Sooner or later, the heavy checks are going to come due on a bunch more than 7 airbi--it strikes me that the company should really think about getting ready for that point....
I'd also love to know how thin the widebody fleet is, as the SNN and DUB service are going to require a 767, one of which was just parked.
I'd also love to know how thin the widebody fleet is, as the SNN and DUB service are going to require a 767, one of which was just parked.
The narrow body airbus are on a five year heavy check, the first two a/c 700 and 701 are due their "S" check on October of this year, we recieved the first two in October of 98. Also A/C 647 US a 767-200 was parked last week at MHV for lease return as the lessor would not give U a new lease.
Did it a bunch of of times in a PA 28R. No big deal.
But lets drop the dukes for a bit and please explain just what these heavy checks are, how much down time, how many man hrs. to perform. And what is the inspection on the a/c after these checks. They are not zeroed out are they?
But lets drop the dukes for a bit and please explain just what these heavy checks are, how much down time, how many man hrs. to perform. And what is the inspection on the a/c after these checks. They are not zeroed out are they?
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On 1/16/2003 8:59:44 PM a320av8r wrote:
What are we going to service Shannon and Dublin with if they keep parking widebodies???
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Perhaps United will fly the PHL-SNN/DUB routes (offering the US codeshare, of course) with the two B767-300s freed up when they drop their nonstop MIA-GIG service in March.
Maybe this is part of Chip's "interesting corporate transaction" where US takes over some of UA's domestic flying but the quid pro quo is that UA takes over some of US's international flying. This would be just the first step.
Just kidding -- I couldn't resist.
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On 1/16/2003 8:59:44 PM a320av8r wrote:
What are we going to service Shannon and Dublin with if they keep parking widebodies???
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Perhaps United will fly the PHL-SNN/DUB routes (offering the US codeshare, of course) with the two B767-300s freed up when they drop their nonstop MIA-GIG service in March.
Maybe this is part of Chip's "interesting corporate transaction" where US takes over some of UA's domestic flying but the quid pro quo is that UA takes over some of US's international flying. This would be just the first step.
Just kidding -- I couldn't resist.
The "S" Check is Airbus' heavy check or overhaul, compared to a 737 which real heavy check is a "Q" Check which takes place once every three years, meanwhile both airplanes get "C" Checks the boeing abut once a year and the airbus several times a year. The airbus "S"Check is once per five years, an airplane gets inspected as each job card is done in the reqired check and then a test flight occurs. No airplane is ever "zeroed" out it just has the time till the next check reset to the next five years.[BR][BR]The "S" check is about a 30 day heavy maintenance check.
