United Mechanics vote on new contract extensio

[WeAAsles]

"The ibt put the reduction in one of our TA's and the membership approved it.

Self inflicted wound"

TSH, this is exactly why I always mention to read the ENTIRE contract language "even" if they tell you nothing was changed. The ibt will lie to you to get language slipped in and by the membership over "behind closed door deals" made in order to get other items changed.
It's a regular movement and done in secrecy between ibt and co. Read all language in depth, rather they say changed or not changed. ibt is famous for doing this and one of the reasons they were fired over our Colorado nego's where they made several "behind close door deals".

Self inflicted wound means the “membership” voted for it. They voted for it because at the time airline workers had already been burned by too many years of Airlines not making enough profits to be worth it.

Also a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

You can continue to try and “undermine” any and all Unions that aren’t your own but I don’t think people are as stupid as you’d like them to be.

We have a better Profit Sharing “formula” at AA than they have at UAL and obviously we can see how that’s paid off (Not) So we had a chance years ago to exchange it for 7% above the top paid at the time and because of the FA’s clamoring we didn’t take it.

The Unions are the membership and the membership doesn’t always make the long term smartest moves. Same as yours that keeps selling away its work.

 

[WeAAsles]

Well here’s the official tally and it was a slaughter against the deal. This isn’t something that can be easily tweaked. You may have to go into full on RLA Section 6 negotiations.

https://teamsters781.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/United_Tech_and_Related_TA_Tally_Report_BY_LOCAL.pdf

 

[SWAMECH]

In hopes this new 5% raise for the Delta employees might reflect a little more in the re-nego's to get to a T/A at United for the mechanics. Just not quite sure if 5% will put them higher than their end of this years first offer as of yet. I'm thinking their new raise for their mech's will put them up around the 65 range, give or take.

Delta increases starting pay to $19 an hour, provides pay raises to employees worldwide

Today Delta announced plans to raise its minimum starting wage to $19 an hour for employees and provide a 5% pay raise to eligible employees worldwide, representing an approximately $500 million annual investment in employees across the company.

news.delta.com

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

In hopes this new 5% raise for the Delta employees might reflect a little more in the re-nego's to get to a T/A at United for the mechanics. Just not quite sure if 5% will put them higher than their end of this years first offer as of yet. I'm thinking their new raise for their mech's will put them up around the 65 range, give or take.

All the more reason I still believe UAL will try and tweak the extension language - They already know that minus a crisis, the December reset will pay out, and now with Delta adding 5% that reset increase just got bigger.

While the reset increase won't be nearly as large as the extension raises, the reset increases come without surrendering a word of contract language. The question is what was the biggest issue(s) driving that "NO" vote? If there is one glaring issue driving the vote then it could be an easy fix, but if its more or less split evenly among many issues we may be in for the long game.

We'll see

 

[SWAMECH]

All the more reason I still believe UAL will try and tweak the extension language - They already know that minus a crisis, the December reset will pay out, and now with Delta adding 5% that reset increase just got bigger.

While the reset increase won't be nearly as large as the extension raises, the reset increases come without surrendering a word of contract language. The question is what was the biggest issue(s) driving that "NO" vote? If there is one glaring issue driving the vote then it could be an easy fix, but if its more or less split evenly among many issues we may be in for the long game.

We'll see

Agree with your assumptions. Glad to hear the 5% will help you all at a perfect timing of a no vote. Pls keep us posted when new offers are passed, and good luck.

 

[WeAAsles]

April 23, 2024

Re: Continued RLA Section 6 Contract Negotiations

Dear Brothers and Sisters,

As described in our last update, we’ve reached out to the company to secure new meeting dates for negotiations. At this point, they have not provided any dates that they are available. This refusal by the company to meet to resume negotiations is unacceptable, and we are reminding the company that Section 2, First of the Railway Labor Act requires the company to meet with us in order to make and maintain agreements. If the company continues to refuse to meet with us in the near future, the Teamsters are prepared to take all legal options, including but not limited to engaging in self-help, to compel the company to comply with its obligation to bargain in good faith. We will keep you updated as new developments occur.

To be clear, we are prepared, as we’ve reported over the entirety of last year, to present our contract opener to the company. We will meet anytime, anywhere to bargain an Agreement that you can be proud of, and we will use every legal resource at our disposal to achieve that end.

In solidarity,

Vinny Graziano

Teamsters Airline Division

 

[D7571987]

I was told the 5% Delta raise misses the date at which the reset looks at AA and DL so it wont be counted for this Dec reset. So it wont get counted until the following year.

 

[SWAMECH]

I was told the 5% Delta raise misses the date at which the reset looks at AA and DL so it wont be counted for this Dec reset. So it wont get counted until the following year.

Oh man! Too bad D. I was hoping it would help you all this year too. No worries, at least you all know it's coming though.

 

[SWAMECH]

All the more reason I still believe UAL will try and tweak the extension language - They already know that minus a crisis, the December reset will pay out, and now with Delta adding 5% that reset increase just got bigger.

While the reset increase won't be nearly as large as the extension raises, the reset increases come without surrendering a word of contract language. The question is what was the biggest issue(s) driving that "NO" vote? If there is one glaring issue driving the vote then it could be an easy fix, but if its more or less split evenly among many issues we may be in for the long game.

We'll see

I was told the 5% Delta raise misses the date at which the reset looks at AA and DL so it wont be counted for this Dec reset. So it wont get counted until the following year.

Hope you all are enjoying this Memorial Day.
Any new info on the extension talks after the vote down? Was wondering if you guys are hearing leaning towards just doing some tweaks or going into talks again??

 

[WeAAsles]

ThirdSeatHero what’s up? SWA asked if the Company has responded to you guys yet? He doesn’t know how to look up IBT UAL on Google to check for himself.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

No problem ...

https://teamster.org/divisions/airline-division/

https://teamsterssfo.com/

Enjoy -

 

[SWAMECH]

No problem ...

https://teamster.org/divisions/airline-division/

https://teamsterssfo.com/

Enjoy -

Thank you TSH.
I like where they added a 3rd maint line. They couldn't do that here for the entire time they were here, and they see where it got them after allowing outsourcing outside the USA starting with Canada and then Aero. Glad to see you guys may get a added maint line, always good for increased headcount.

 

[WeAAsles]

Thank you TSH.
I like where they added a 3rd maint line. They couldn't do that here for the entire time they were here, and they see where it got them after allowing outsourcing outside the USA starting with Canada and then Aero. Glad to see you guys may get a added maint line, always good for increased headcount.

They aren’t getting anything so far. The Company has not responded to their request for a meeting to negotiate.

Continued RLA Section 6 Contract Negotiations — TeamstersSFO.com

As described in our last update, we’ve reached out to the company to secure new meeting dates for negotiations. At this point, they have not provided any dates that they are available. This refusal by the company to meet to resume negotiations is unacceptable, and we are reminding the company that S

teamsterssfo.com

 

[WeAAsles]

2 Months and still no response from the Company. Maybe sometimes members should realize they have a “good” solid offer and not listen to all the loud mouths telling them something else. Oh well time is money and I guess they need to wait now.

United | Teamsters Local 781

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[ThirdSeatHero]

2 Months and still no response from the Company. Maybe sometimes members should realize they have a “good” solid offer and not listen to all the loud mouths telling them something else. Oh well time is money and I guess they need to wait now.

Sorry, when it comes to a CBA we will have to live under, the UAL Technicians aren't really concerned with the inane blathering of a ramper from another airline.

Contracts aren't just about money, and fortunately UAL Technicians are a bit more discerning