Unions Oppose Executive Incentive Plan At Usair

[longing4piedmont]

Who is going to buy the fuel? Who is going to make the payroll? Pay the leases? Remember there will be 2 seperate airlines operating for up to 3 years. This kind of stuff doesn't just "get done" when no one is left.

This is the most economical way of doing business. Of course they could go out and hire some short-term consultants at $800 an hour plus expenses - but I'll wager that is more expensive by a factor of 3.

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qwerty. Name the one executive of the twenty that is going to be "buying the fuel" Name the one excutive of the twenty that is actually going to cut a payroll check. We are talking about 20 people who believe that they are entitled to millions for destroying a great company, not the folks who actually run the place.

I await your answer.....

 

[BoeingBoy]

How much are the scum bags asking for? I did not see a number?

[post="300554"][/post]​

The number I've seen is $12 million.....

Jim

 

[qwerty]

Do not the middle managers that do these things need direction? If its like any other large corporation the BOD requires expenditures at a certain level to be approved by a company officer. If I am not mistaken the IRS and SEC require a certain number of senior execs to sign and submit regular financial statements. Should we leave that up to the payroll clerks?

 

[longing4piedmont]

Do not the middle managers that do these things need direction? If its like any other large corporation the BOD requires expenditures at a certain level to be approved by a company officer. If I am not mistaken the IRS and SEC require a certain number of senior execs to sign and submit regular financial statements. Should we leave that up to the payroll clerks?

[post="300566"][/post]​

I want a name of someone who is worth $1,000,000 to stay on for two more months. Short of a name, don't bother responding. I've heard all of the spin I want to hear. It is time for facts and names.

I await your response.....

 

[qwerty]

How about Helen Tremont, VP of Corporate Real Estate? I don't know if she is going to Phoenix or not, but wouldn't it be beneficial to hold on to the person that is managing leases and relationships all over the world, including (I am guessing) a hundred airports that Amwest does not serve?

Or how about Ron Stanley the CFO for reasons mentioned earlier?

Stop with your "raiding the cookie jar" analogy, these people work at the will of the BOD - you know the ones that own the company? It ain't show friends, it's show business. You sound like a disaffected union member who feels he's not getting his fair share.

Life ain't fair........

 

[longing4piedmont]

How about Helen Tremont, VP of Corporate Real Estate? I don't know if she is going to Phoenix or not, but wouldn't it be beneficial to hold on to the person that is managing leases and relationships all over the world, including (I am guessing) a hundred airports that Amwest does not serve?

Or how about Ron Stanley the CFO for reasons mentioned earlier?

Stop with your "raiding the cookie jar" analogy, these people work at the will of the BOD - you know the ones that own the company? It's ain't show friends, it's show business. You sound like a disaffected union member who feels he's not getting his fair share.

Life ain't fair........

[post="300569"][/post]​

In both cases, there is a person taking over these resposibilities in Tempe. Send some one in from Tempe to do the job. If the big Kuhuna doesn't want to stay for the current salary, show them the door today. Their staffs run their departments any way.

How much are you in line for?

I'm not a union member or an employee, but one pissed off CP who is tired of a bunch of ignorant, arrogant "management" types thinking they deserve one thin dime. I make no apologies for my comments. I am only going to become more vocal over the next couple of weeks. I intend to do everything I can do including signing a friend of the court brief to get this stopped. Let the chips fall where they may, but there is not one person, NOT ONE PERSON of this twenty that deserves one thin dime. They were paid a salary for doing their JOB. If they saved the airline doing it in their minds, fine. They been paid. Let them now LEAVE.

BTW, I can only hope that you don't really think that the Board of Directors are the owners of the company. If so, you really should refrain from posting on this forum until you have a better understanding of the company structure or on subjects of which you have no knowledge.

 

[qwerty]

I am neither an employee of US Airways/America West nor a significant customer. I understand your position, but doubt you have the knowledge to make such general assumptions regarding each of the individuals there.

Just my opinion, but I think you are pissed off at the loss of benefits and the ill treatment as a customer. When a company up for sale is trying to preserve cash, these things happen. You break a few eggs sure, but given the end result, it appears to have worked.

I wouldn't take it personally, again, it's business. You have your Club in GSO and your comp upgrades - the new US Airways may not be so kind with these perks.

 

[longing4piedmont]

I am neither an employee of US Airways/America West nor a significant customer.

[post="300576"][/post]​

Enough said..... And that explains most of your comments.

 

[qwerty]

I thought of one more: Tony L. ran the international divison and did not want to go to Tempe. He even declined to stay on short-term after being offered a retention package. Good experience, good guy, probably got a great job in DC making twice the money (albeit without the travel benefits.)

Do you know him? Do you know what's hanging on the wall as you step off the elevators on the 8th floor? Do you know under which concourse is the domestic bag belt in PHL? Do you know in which building in RIDC can be found the US Airways OCC?

 

[qwerty]

Bash the management team if you want, but in my opinion the actions taken today by DL (and now NW) are a direct result of the tough decisions made by US Airways & United.

It wasn't pretty, alot of people were hurt, and the government even changed the rules because of it. But they had a plan, worked the plan and in the case of most wheeled and dealed themselves right out of a job.

Do you question the result?

 

[BoeingBoy]

Do you know him? Do you know what's hanging on the wall as you step off the elevators on the 8th floor? Do you know under which concourse is the domestic bag belt in PHL? Do you know in which building in RIDC can be found the US Airways OCC?

[post="300588"][/post]​

Assuming that you could answer those questions, or for some even have the insider knowledge to ask them, it seems to contradict this:

I am neither an employee of US Airways/America West nor a significant customer.

[post="300576"][/post]​

Jim

 

[longing4piedmont]

It wasn't pretty, alot of people were hurt, and the government even changed the rules because of it. But they had a plan, worked the plan and in the case of most wheeled and dealed themselves right out of a job.

Do you question the result?

[post="300599"][/post]​

Absolutely I question the results. The only reason there is a US today is because of the front line employees; in more ways than one.

The brain trust had no plan and to think so is simply being delusional. Oh yeah they said they did, even showed parts of it to several on this very board. But no one item in their plan was ever put into place. Reminds me of the $18,000,000 dollars that was spent on an emergency evacuation plan that we the taxpayers spent on New Orleans the last three years. Sounded good on paper, but when the tire hit the road they didn't really have a plan after all and didn't even try to put in place.

There was not one single effective marketing plan launch by the management team in their tenor. Their plan was to simply cut, cut, cut and most of it from the employees. Now they want $12,000,000. I don't think so.

 

[qwerty]

Why is that? There are alot of people with intimate knowledge of US Airways that don't work there (and not just the bankruptcy lawyers). And living in a city where US Airways doesn't have a huge presence, I don't often get the ability to fly them.

Mr. Piedmont questioned my ability to present a reasonable argument. Not that anyone needs to have personal knowledge to see what the company did worked probably better than anyone hoped. Except for Dr. Bronner, but he knew he was rolling the dice.

It's a prop by the way, hanging in the 8th floor lobby.

 

[qwerty]

Let's not compare US Airways and the situation in New Orleans. Only one is still under water.

The employees that you speak of did a fantastic job. Through all the stress, the redundancies, the pay cuts, the benefit cuts. I doubt I would have stayed if in their shoes. But you missed the point - it's business. You don't make a profit as a company, you die. Stop taking it personally, it appers the unionized folks have moved on, for the most part.

 

[longing4piedmont]

I am neither an employee of US Airways/America West nor a significant customer. I understand your position, but doubt you have the knowledge to make such general assumptions regarding each of the individuals there.

[post="300576"][/post]​

You know it has just come to me. We've meet.....

On a flight to Dallas and you had your daughter with you. I switched seats with you so you could sit togther. I remember you taking offense to my bag tag. The cockroach bag tag.

You planning on screwing the employees at NWA like you did US?