UA & CO Announce Comprehensive Plan for Global Cooperation
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Star seems willing to take anyone with an airplane, while Skyteam and one world are a bit pickier about who becomes part of the alliance. Admittedly Continental will be a benefit to star, I am just not so sure that star will be as big a benefit to Continental. Just my opinion.
I'm not really sure why this matters. From a customer perspective, an alliance is more valuable the more members it has. That gives me more choices. If they let in "lesser" airlines, no customer is forced to fly them. But they have the option of earning miles on their favorite carrier if they are in a position where they do end up flying on the "lesser" airline.
Like i said... This is great news and Star is a great FF program. I have always had luck with Star on business class upgrades twice a year to europe or asia. using miles. I have had drama with ONEWORLD AA trying to use miles. So this is great news and CAL will bring so much to the table.
They fly HKG-PEK-SHAG out of EWR and this will be great now. Unless UAL starts IAD-HKG and SHANG next....
Sounds like sour grapes Mikey.
Hey, you can always get USair to come over to AA's Oneworld.
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I think you're a bit mistaken on who flys what to where. CAL doesn't fly non-stop to PVG. If you want to get to PVG aboard CAL out of EWR you'll be switching planes in NRT to a NWA flight the rest of the way to PVG.
On the other hand, you could simply fly UAL NON-STOP from both ORD/SFO to PVG and the same to HKG as well.
You are right however, that adding CAL to STAR will be a good and welcome addition that will benefit their FF from the NYC area as well as adding a huge benefit to UAL customers wanting greater schedule flexibility from the NYC area. Win-Win in my eyes.
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Z B)
I heard today that if we get through this mess of oil and stuff..UAL wants to fly from IAD-HKG... We know CHicago flies it also.. Chicago used to have 2 flts during peak time
to HKG at one time. LAX was started twice and ended and heard later they might move it to IAD and give it a try. Beijing does very well from Chicago and IAD.. So never say never because CAL flies EWR_HKG and UAL does it out of Chicago.... Washington is going to grow grow grow International.. In Nov 2008 IAD-MIA is going back to a320 twice a day
airbus over those RJ's.... Connecting TAM with UAL... CAL is stopping IAH-IAD and CLE-IAD and United is adding Airbus for the first time over RJ to IAH to connect KWI-Dubai
to IAD- IAH oil-2- oil... good move.....
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Airborn1,
Thanks for the update. I hadn't heard about the recent plans you outlined. If true that's good news and makes a lot of sense. The synergies of this alliance, especially given both CAL's/UAL's strength's in Europe/Asia respectively, made too much sense to not have pressed forward together.
The IAD-HKG route is interesting. I do believe UAL would have to do it on the -400 (based on aircraft availability) and of course that'll mean the economics of doing so will be under intense scrutiny before the decision will be made to go forward with it. I'd be interested in seeing some data on what sort of O/D traffic would support such a venture. Right now I'd say it'll be quite a ways off based on the fact you can get there (HKG) from both EWR/ORD. Time will tell. Thanks for the info.
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Z B)
The 747 base at IAD is closing. The pilots are being shifted back to ORD. 777 this fall will do PEK flight. Maybe once the oil market changes the 747 will come back.
I don't think so for awhile and perhaps later if a merge happens with CAL down the road United will get 787 .. CAL flies HKG 777 from NY now. SO united can do the same.
United only flies 747 to HKG from SFO-ORD-LAX at the moment. THings could change.
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The rumors on IAD-PEK were that it would downsize to a 777 and also possibly reduce to less than daily service. Additionally ultra long hauls are getting hurt the most economically these days. However HKG would not shock me as it would strengthen the noon bank at IAD, which is the weakest bank for international flights. Off the top of my head it only has the NRT flights and the PEK flight, plus an LHR arrival.
Airborn,
So yours saying later this year we wil have a mainline IAH flight? How do you know all this stuff?
funny--- first of all... It doesn't take a rocket to know that CAL anounced last week they will no longer be flying IAD-IAH or CLE-IAD
put two in two together and knowing a alliance is coming that United would step up IAH route connection Dubia and KWI route through
IAD into IAH... Makes perfect sense.
The Miami flights a friend told me about that......
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