U Files To Reject Labor Agreements

[robbedagain]

gee i wonder if the unions can ask the judge to terminate all of mgmt and all of their freebies of traveling in first class space positive, terminate all of their beneifts, and their 401ks as well as their sick banks and may be replace them with a court appointed trustee since this airline has no real mgmt team. it'd sure be nice if any of them vampires would fly thru my station with checked bags i'd would not be counting on their bags going to their destination.

 

[28yrsnojob]

just got 5 calls from guys on pension over 8 yrs, they got letters saying there health insurance is gone effective 1/1/05

 

[repeet]

Former ModerAAtor
Posted Today, 04:05 PM

Judge has to rule first. It's similar to a 30 day cooling off period being declared by the NMB, i.e. nothing can take place until after it expires. Once the judge rules, both sides are free to engage in self-help.

That's what Mechanics and Related believe and are counting on!

And yes, the RLA requires the union and company to negotiate a new contract, ... . Problem is that the RLA doesn't specify any timeframe for contract negotiations to be completed in.

Yes, that's what Mechanics and Related believe's too. No matter how long this corporation exists, it will, by law, owe the IAM a contact for the work and scope as outlined by the recent arbitration.

No matter how long it takes we will picket and strike and strike and picket until we agree on a contract. As since the company seems so hellbent on throwing away the present agreement, they'll have to come up with another one that we will agree to. And the longer they take to meet our expectations, the higher our expectations will become!

Do I like it? No.

Regards.

 

[bluetoad]

This is managements counter to the CWA threat of a strike. They just moved the pressure back onto the unions to come to a deal. They want you to agree to give up this stuff on your own. The original article says the pilots retirement was terminated in the first BK. This is not true. The pilots caved to the company pressure and voted terminate their own pension. If history is any indication, the rest of the groups will also vote to terminate. The only thing the judge has taken is a 4 month temp pay cut and a few assorted other items. It is not permanent yet. Everything that has been permenantly lost was voted on by the respective unions. What makes you think that the new pay scales and retirements will make U competitive? Even if you did have the same costs as SW or B6, which you wont, management will not know what to do with the savings. Name one things they have done to make any money? Labor costs have come down and total costs still go up. Sure fuel has gone up but it has for everyone.You will have no competitive advantage. Bottom line management wants to keep this pig going long enough to squeeze every last cent for their retirement. Good luck

 

[funguy2]

Looks like the transformation plan moves "forward" "without employees".

 

[the turtle]

This is managements counter to the CWA threat of a strike. They just moved the pressure back onto the unions to come to a deal. They want you to agree to give up this stuff on your own. The original article says the pilots retirement was terminated in the first BK. This is not true. The pilots caved to the company pressure and voted terminate their own pension. If history is any indication, the rest of the groups will also vote to terminate. The only thing the judge has taken is a 4 month temp pay cut and a few assorted other items. It is not permanent yet. Everything that has been permenantly lost was voted on by the respective unions. What makes you think that the new pay scales and retirements will make U competitive? Even if you did have the same costs as SW or B6, which you wont, management will not know what to do with the savings. Name one things they have done to make any money? Labor costs have come down and total costs still go up. Sure fuel has gone up but it has for everyone.You will have no competitive advantage. Bottom line management wants to keep this pig going long enough to squeeze every last cent for their retirement. Good luck

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I'll give you two (related) things...the E-170 and CRJ. Both profitable in-house additions.

 

[OldGuyinPA]

No pressure...Just strike....


It's simple you see....

 

[Art at ISP]

There is still time and desire to reach consensual agreements with all the remaining unions. Striking will accomplish nothing except result in the absolute end of the company.

Ladies and gentlemen, you are some of the most professional and experienced folks in this industry. I hope that this experience and professionalism, which has kept those of us regular customers so loyal in good times and bad, will lead you to continue to do your best on the front line.

I don't like what's happening any more than you do, and I cannot pretend to feel your pain. I do however sympathize with you and wish you the very best, but I implore you to not take this frustration out on your customers.

If you recall, about 40% of revenue goes to labor. Think about all the customers who you will push away to other airlines by a job action, take 40% of the ticket revenue from those passengers, and you have the amount of money the company doesn't have to pay you.

I wish you all the very best, and thank each and every one of you for all you do for your customers........

 

[DFWCC]

With the blessing of a system of laws that permit such acts which are a form terrorism on employees working and retired while the current white house tells us how we MUST defeat terrorism, while those same government officials earn and retire in luxury while the working class retirees and unemployed seeks jobs at Wal*Mart and McDonalds to pay for healthcare and food. If this doesn’t make you upset then you are ripe and waiting to picked and eaten alive.

[post="200123"][/post]​

Yea I know what you mean about government officials. It was Billy Clinton and the Democrats that jumped in and stopped the last AA strike by the pilots.
Lets get rid of the Islamic terrorists now that we kept Kerry and the socialists/communists lovers out of office.

 

[bluetoad]

I'll give you two (related) things...the E-170 and CRJ. Both profitable in-house additions

.

Show me the money!

 

[robbedagain]

There is still time and desire to reach consensual agreements with all the remaining unions. Striking will accomplish nothing except result in the absolute end of the company.

Ladies and gentlemen, you are some of the most professional and experienced folks in this industry. I hope that this experience and professionalism, which has kept those of us regular customers so loyal in good times and bad, will lead you to continue to do your best on the front line.

I don't like what's happening any more than you do, and I cannot pretend to feel your pain. I do however sympathize with you and wish you the very best, but I implore you to not take this frustration out on your customers.

If you recall, about 40% of revenue goes to labor. Think about all the customers who you will push away to other airlines by a job action, take 40% of the ticket revenue from those passengers, and you have the amount of money the company doesn't have to pay you.

I wish you all the very best, and thank each and every one of you for all you do for your customers........

[post="200184"][/post]​

hey mgmt has already a terriffic job of throwing a good chunk of our pax away to other airlines thanks in part to mgmt's big mouth and dr big mouth whom have stuck their foot in the mouth thru the news media. that alone is why we have lost some pax. but now that usair has the lowest of the lowest mgmt team prepping to get the employees the lowest wages allowed bylaw, how long will it take for other airlines to go that low or lower!?

 

[USA320Pilot]

CBSMarketWatch made the following points:

-- "If they do not obtain these financial accommodations, unless there immediate and dramatic improvements in the price of fuel and in the revenue outlook, it is highly likely they will have to begin the commencement of an orderly liquidation," attorneys for US Airways wrote.

-- In the court motion, US Airways said it is in danger of losing the backing of its lenders if it cannot cut labor and pension costs.

-- "Our financial partners have made it very clear that we cannot expect their support and continued participation in our restructuring without a competitive cost structure," CEO Bruce Lakefield said.

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USA320Pilot comments: ALPA bankruptcy attorney Richard Seltzer told the MEC that Judge Mitchell has great latitude, the S.1113© process has never been tested, and the court could prevent a strike. With fuel prices and passengers booking away due to the formal reorganization, it's logical to assume that without the labor cuts the company would liquidate and the copany has made this point very clear.

Therefore, without new labor accords the judge seems to have a choice: "impose" contracts and prevent "self help" or convert the bankruptcy petition to a Chapter 7 liquidation. Since Judge Mitchell continues to rule in favor of virtually every company motion what do you think he will do? Rule in favor of the company or the union(s)?

Respectfully,

USA320Pilot

 

[700UW]

The court cannot prevent a strike, you are no longer covered under a CBA.

You have been told this numerous times. Sharon Levine Esquire, has informed the IAM the they are free to strike.

Like I have told you time and time again, no contract, you are an employee at will and no judge can force someone to work who is not covered under a CBA.

Go read the Constitution, Slavery was abolished in the 1800's.

 

[Light Years]

CBSMarketWatch made the following points:

-- "If they do not obtain these financial accommodations, unless there immediate and dramatic improvements in the price of fuel and in the revenue outlook, it is highly likely they will have to begin the commencement of an orderly liquidation," attorneys for US Airways wrote.

-- In the court motion, US Airways said it is in danger of losing the backing of its lenders if it cannot cut labor and pension costs.

-- "Our financial partners have made it very clear that we cannot expect their support and continued participation in our restructuring without a competitive cost structure," CEO Bruce Lakefield said.

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Um, those look like the company's points to me... just what did CBS MarketWatch throw in?

 

[USA320Pilot]

If a judge makes an order a union or its member cannot violate the terms, unelss they want to be held in contmept. Then they could have civil fines or even be thrown in jail.

Thus, if an employee does not like the imposed terms they have a choice: work at the company or resign.

Regardless, a strike would likely cause a liquidation and a part of me would like to see that happen. Then the naysayers would get their wish to have full pay until the last day.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

P.S. By the way, I believe the CWA and AFA will reach deals, the IAM-FSA has been exchanging proposals this week, and today's IAM-M update seems somewhat sanguine. In the end, I believe there will be new labor accords one way or another.

P.S.S. Sharon Levine, the same attorney who lost the A320 and the A330 heavy maintenance outsourcing moiton.