Twu Pro-union Local

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Attention Starved? Tired of spending hours upon hours in your hotel room?

I agree with much of what your saying about industrial unions. They get top heavy and corrupt and don't represent the membership as a whole. They are all about receiving money from the workers as well as the company. I congratulate you in seeing this unfortunate truth. They have been sleeping on the job and boy does it show. At a time when we really need good unionism they can't cut the mustard.

I take offense when you include AMFA in this group. AMFA took over representation at NWA and began doing its job. Wages and pensions increased during the years the airline industry was making a lot of money. AMFA brought back a contract that raised mechanics wages 22% and cleaners wages 13% as well as having the monthly pension formula raised for the first time in years maybe even decades. AMFA does indeed represent the will of the majority. AMFA was voted in by well over 50% of the membership. When AMFA was unfortunately forced into a strike after offering to save the company money practically the entire membership walked. Even today it is a source of company frustration that so many have felt loyal to each other through their representative AMFA. Why have these men and women remained loyal? Because AMFA is not the typical corrupt industrial union-the typical union you and I mentioned previously. If AMFA was about getting rich extorting workers out of their hard earned wages in the form of union dues then AMFA would have acted much like the IAM at USAIR or the TWU at American. At USAIR the mechanics were told that they did not have enough information when they voted against concessions and were forced to vote again until they "got it right". For their part in this screw job the IAM received 1.5 million to cover their administrative costs from USAIR. The TWU is a complient company union that jumps at the companies every wish and the dues money has continued to flow practically unabated. Only AMFA has taken the hard road of standing up for the worker and has been punished for standing up for the worker by the other industrial unions as well as the company. The TWU and its ATD is afraid to indorse AMFA's actions in anyway. The only TWU indorsements have come from Local Presidents that have had the courage to make a stand and stand behind the working men and women at NWA that are on strike. Shame on the so-called union officials (including Jim Little) who lack the spine to even verbally support AMFA's cause. They are not REAL union men but profiteers exploiting the working class. The ALPA greedily attempted to protect their pensions at the expense of their mechanics and although the AMFA struggle is just, the IAM would not take a pro-worker stand and support the strikers. The flow of money coming in from their members was just too much to risk. The PFAA has no excuse for not taking a stand and for all I care they may as well join the AFL-CIO since it behaves like a typical AFL-CIO union anyway. Even without the support of the other so-called unions AMFA chose to make a stand rather than cower to the unreasonable demands of the company.
AMFA wished to negotiate and were blocked every step of the way. AMFA found cost saving solutions and were told it was not enough. When AMFA attempted to meet the company half way the company increased their demands and told AMFA its concessionary efforts were not enough. When the U.S. Government attempted to arbitrate the dispute they were rebuffed by NWA. AMFA had a choice of striking or bringing back a contract in which 50% of its membership were out the door and the remaining members took severe cuts. I ask you SCAB could that contract have passed by a majority? The company is clearly out of line and their actions make Frank Lorenzo's actions seem tame. NWA is an irresponsible enity that has hurt not only the work force but other companies associated with it and local and state economies with their actions. They have broken their promises to local governments over and over.
I believe the other unions will become shells after the company is through slashing and cutting and I believe NWA as we know it will not even exist.
I could at least understand your point of view if the company was making reasonable demands but the company is clearly asking for unreasonable demands in the attempt to destroy any union that has any kind of backbone and turning the other unions into nothing more than compliant cheerleader unions that cheerfully comply with any company request regarless of how it effects its membership. The philosophy of these unions is that they control its members-the philosophy of AMFA is that the membership controls it. Again, the strike has been endorsed by the majority of AMFA's membership. I ask you SCAB how do you think the membership would have reacted if AMFA had taken the easier and more profitable course for them of endorsing the company deal? NW Mechanics represented the largest body of AMFA union members. This strike has cost AMFA a immeasureably.

Your actions are detestable, your nothing more than a fool and a tool for the rich and greedy. I honestly don't see how a person as intelligent as you can continue to harm ordinary working men and women. The only reason I can think of is not your generalized rationizations against all unions, but, merely your greed. You obviously have a license and the opportunity to make some decent cash-screw everyone else! Your rationizations are nothing more than an attempt to soothe your obviously guilty conscious. Take your money and walk away-your part of the problem. We'll attempt to repair the damage you have caused.

Have a nice life ####
 
ProAMFA......it might make it a little easier on PTO if you kept your posts to a 5 or 6 line maximum length, that way it wouldnt tax his little brain and he stands a better chance of understanding what you are saying. Just my opinion, but i know its hard on the poor guy to comprehend anything of length.
 
Wow proAMFA I didn't know that you had it in you. I am really impressed. What a beautiful post in all sincerity. Unfortunatly I am going to have to disagree with you in the fact that you think AMFA stands alone from the other unions. I would feel much better about your statement if AMFA would make its bank statements public. I am sorry to say that AMFA is indeed as corrupt as the other unions.

Why do I have such animosity for AMFA? Because of you guys. I am not attention starved I simply refuse to allow you guys to bash the contract workers here without them having some type of representation. You guys jumped on me from the very beginning without even considering what I had to say or offer to this board. Members are a reflection of how a union operates and if this is the way it is then AMFA has got to go. I can easily see AMFA bullying companies around in an effort to get what they want just as I was bullied here. It has pretty much been just me against every one of you guys and I have held strong through the lies and insults. That has to say something about a pissed off scabs resolve.

I also have to say that, what I have seen here, there was entirely to many mechanics here. I worked six hours out of a twelve hour shift yesterday. We are down to ten contractors on my crew. That is shameful. There was a lot of fat here that needed trimming. I have been reading some of the other boards as well lately and I must tell you that I am indeed disturbed by what I am reading. If you guys want unions I suggest you vote out every union in the aviation industry and develop your own that makes sense. A company cannot pay a cleaner 22 an hour. That is insane and when a company is forced to do so by a union it is going to retailiate. I do not care what you guys say this is not a hard job and the gluttony that was going on here is sinful.

proAMFA I have stole nothing. Those mechanics jobs are still here for them to come and take with no animosity from me or any other scab. Are all of the jobs here? No only the ones necessary to operate the company. The days of companies being 200% over staffed is over. You guys are saying that you are losing jobs, the truth is the jobs weren't there to begin with your union just invented them with the bogus constraints they placed on the company.

I will continue to scab until this is over or NWA sends me on my way. I also have a serious itch for AA mechanics to go on strike. I do not much care for AA but I dislike its employees attitudes even less. I hope I am one day given the opportunity to scab for AA. By the way, there are a bunch of your X-buddies here that would like to get back in as well. Seems like there was some type of merger a few years back and the new company employees came in with equal or greater senoirity than the existing members of AA. They feel the union there really let them down and they are lying in wait for revenge. Don't think that it is just non-union guys here that are against the unions there are a lot of your brothers here that were ousted.

Thank you for the decency of your post there might be some hope for you guys yet. Throw DEAD BIRD in an engine intake and you guys will be much better off.

No guilt here. Sympathy maybe but no guilt.
 
PTO, I'm not sure from your posts above if you are responding to proAMFA as a NW striker or as an AA employee AMFA supporter.

I know it is hard to keep them straight, but I am reasonably sure that proAMFA works at AA.

As I posted in another thread, the AMFA supporters at AA consider the outcome of this NW strike as the make-or-break in their efforts to throw out the TWU.

Thus, as you probably are insinuating you know in your post above, if the AMFA strike fails at NW, you will never have a chance to "scratch" your "itch" to take them on and "scab" at AA.

BTW, I was raised in the South and supposedly had "thin" blood; and my first job in the North was in Michigan where I lived for 10 years. I loved it; so my blood must have "thickened" very easily. No nearby sking, but great hunting "up-North" - probably not available to a non-resident replacement worker.

As is said in psuedo-latin: Illegitimi Non Carborundum. "Don't let the bastards grind you down"... attributed to General "Vinegar Joe" Stilwell in WW II.
 
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You are correct in your assumption of where I work. PTO and I will agree to disagree. Perhaps someday he will see things a little differently I can only hope so. I really have doubts whether or not PTO even works on NW jets.

I believe AMFA cannot get in at AA under current circumstances and did not push for AMFA at AA in their last drive. When the government, the company and the opposing union all conspire in concert to deprive the membership of their right to choose which union they wish to be represented by it is impossible to let democracy take its course.

I believe the TWU has hurt the company more than it has helped by endorsing and scareing the membership into voting in the concessions deal of 2003. All the legend carriers have been able to use bankruptcy to restructure and lower their costs. The TWU's benevolent meddling has prevented the company from doing what it needed to do-restructure. Now AA will be unable to reap the benefits of restructuring in bankruptcy and will find itself at a competative disadvantage with the other carriers who by the way will be competing with AA head to head with their profitable Carribean, Asian, and European flights. Opinions are like noses everyone has one. My opinion is that the TWU should stop hurting the airline by attempting to help it.
 
proAMFA, Is there any way possible for the members to vote its unions out and continue working without union representation? Is there any chance that all the work groups will do the same and possibly in the future be represented by a single union that is not connected to the existing unions? I know this is asking a lot but do you think that the different work groups could work together without getting jealouse over what the other makes? If so there is hope for a cohesive union for all work groups in the industry.
 
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Yes, a union can be decertified. If there is a representational vote and the majority do not vote union than the union is decertified.

If an election had occurred at AA and AMFA votes and TWU votes did not reach over 50% of the elgible work force then the current union would have been decertified.

There will always be differences of opinion over the amount of pay each work group should make.

I doubt that all the airline employee's would ever be cohesive enough to unite under one union. The union could never be perceived as being fair enough to one group or the other.
 
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PTO, I'm not sure from your posts above if you are responding to proAMFA as a NW striker or as an AA employee AMFA supporter.
As is said in psuedo-latin: Illegitimi Non Carborundum. "Don't let the bastards grind you down"... attributed to General "Vinegar Joe" Stilwell in WW II.
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upsilon, I am aware that proAMFA works for AA, as well as the majority of the posters here. Yes it does get confusing at times. I do generalize my post towards NWA strikes and AMFA as well.

You are probably correct about me never scabbing at AA. Wouldn't it be interesting to see what the TWU would do if AA brought forth concessions as great or greater than NWA did? Maybe I would have a shot then.

I do enjoy some good waterfowl hunting and the occasional dog run for rabbit. I have missed the best part of fishing being up here. To bad about the sking, I guess it will be back to Colorado for that.

It gets repetitve at times and the most aggravating part about it is when someone new comes in here and in their brilliancy makes a comment that was addressed weeks ago then when you don't respond to their post they want to call you on it. Then they get mad when you tell them to keep up.
 
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I doubt that all the airline employee's would ever be cohesive enough to unite under one union. The union could never be perceived as being fair enough to one group or the other.
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There is no need for unions then. Companies in todays economic upheavals does not have time or the resources to deal with riff-raff and that is what todays unions have become. They will be weakend and picked off one at a time. NWA has set a new standard for dealing with hardball unions. If you are not a hardball union what good are you? I know that is a catch-22 but it is the truth.
 
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You prefer no union and your a wandering gypsy mechanic and a SCAB. I prefer a little more stability. I also prefer fairness in the work place. I've been a union AMT and I've been a non-union AMT and believe me a union AMT is much better. Non-union jobs are just that-jobs. A union job is normally a career. Your family benefits from the ability to have a little stability in their lives.

Perhaps you'll get hit on the head one day and things will begin to make sense to you. Till then continue with your up with me and the greedy guys down with the working man campaign. Thank you for working to ruin peoples lives. You mom must be proud of you $hithead.
 
Do not point the finger at me because your precious unions and their members have divided themselves and made such ludicrous demands on companies that they have turned themselves into unwanted parasites. No one here likes the company they work for nor do they like the unions that represent them. If this misery is what you perfer then that is fine.

Tell me proAMFA, What good is the stability if you are miserable the whole time you are trying to get it. Unions give you a false sense of stability. All you are looking for is someone to hold the curtains up for you so you don't have to see what is coming. Ask the NWA AMT's,cleaners and custodians about their stability that was provided by AMFA.
 
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Does the TWU have anything to do with Northwest?
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IT DOES NOW as they have announced they are going try to organize the NW FA's. I for one would be interested in what kind of organization TWU is!
 
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I for one would be interested in what kind of organization TWU is!
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Possibly the most anti-worker union of all time. Do not under any circumstance sign a card for them or vote them in. They are the ones who invented the B-scale, paying for medical, promote scabbing, the list goes on and on.
 
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Can someone tell me what union is worth a damn? The only one anyone seems to like is AMFA and its credibility in leading anything has been shot to hell.
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CIO/PTO/KTO/BILL/WHATEVER/etc…;

And, how is that?
Please expound on your hypothesis?
Is this a 'fact' based theory or another one of your lies?
 

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