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High Speed Steel said:
Tell me how doing away with Article42 ended your career with AA....
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Why was Article 42 there to begin with and also what was given up for it when it was obtained?

you think it was meaningless now that it is gone.

I have a TWU International vote yes flyer from previous T/A with concessions that claims increased job security was the best thing ever. Now it means nothing to the appointed pathetic UB continuance fools. wow

You want me to scan it and show it to you as a reminder?
 
Why is Article 42 gone?

Well lets see. AA has assigned QA managers to oversee the MRO operations at AA once they are in place.
If anyone has any idea what a QA manager does to oversee a MRO knows that one QA manager can oversee several MRO's during the course of the year. AA has assigned not one or two guys but SEVEN!!!! Yes SEVEN QA managers to oversee AA's MRO operations. AA has big plans on outsourcing right here in our own backyards. Now you see how important Article 42 is or was? We just gave it away and AA will do what ever they want in respect to outsourcing. No job protection when they put in place all the MRO's. We can not do a dam thing about it. My opinion is that Class 2 stations will be outsourced. Tulsa will either be outsourced or sold off to another company. No article 42? They can do that brother. NO job protection what so ever.
I would like to thank all the YES voters and non voters who helped eliminate Article 42 and our jobs to the lowest bidder.
The worst has yet to come. Wait til November 1st rolls around. It will be time to enroll in our new medical plan. Anyone have any idea what it will cost us? Plenty I tell you. Who knows what else lurks in the coming months. Just think that we are paying the TWU $666 a year in dues to screw us over. All you TWU die hards need to get your heads examined. Wake up before it is too late, Oh wait it is too late. Another sad chapter in our careers at American Airlines being represented by the TWU.
 
Chuck Schalk said:
your last post validates what I said about spinning effect. You contradict yourself in the above statement and make assumptions. You truly are a TWU loyalist follower who is confused about his own thoughts and it shows in how you write.
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lol, That's it? That was quite weak Chuck. I suspect you were in a hurry when you typed your post or you just threw something out there so as to have a rebuttal. What spinning effect exactly were you referring to ? I'm not sure what contradiction in my statement you are talking about nor do I suspect you could even tell me how and make sense. All anyone has to do is read through your post history and your last sentence to see there is no contradiction in my statement about your contempt you share so freely about our Union while being an elected officer in it no doubt. Why not try something new and quit being a chickensh!t and resign and pursue your true agenda of trying to get a new representing Union since you are so unhappy with the one we have. I am a loyalist but I am a Union Loyalist as in Loyal to whatever Union is representing me and if one of the card drives succeed and a new Union is voted in then I will be just as Loyal to them. Confusion about what I write, No. Confusion about Leaders that can't get themselves together to be strong for the membership such as yourself ? Most defiantly !! The assumption you refer to is more of a guess with the odds in my favor I suspect.
 
AC Tynker said:
lol, That's it? That was quite weak Chuck. I suspect you were in a hurry when you typed your post or you just threw something out there so as to have a rebuttal. What spinning effect exactly were you referring to ? I'm not sure what contradiction in my statement you are talking about nor do I suspect you could even tell me how and make sense. All anyone has to do is read through your post history and your last sentence to see there is no contradiction in my statement about your contempt you share so freely about our Union while being an elected officer in it no doubt. Why not try something new and quit being a chickensh!t and resign and pursue your true agenda of trying to get a new representing Union since you are so unhappy with the one we have. I am a loyalist but I am a Union Loyalist as in Loyal to whatever Union is representing me and if one of the card drives succeed and a new Union is voted in then I will be just as Loyal to them. Confusion about what I write, No. Confusion about Leaders that can't get themselves together to be strong for the membership such as yourself ? Most defiantly !! The assumption you refer to is more of a guess with the odds in my favor I suspect.
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"Chickenshit"? That was the word Sam Cirri used at monday's membership meeting to describe Local 514 members that support AMFA.

Is that you Sam?
 
TWU informer said:
Why was Article 42 there to begin with and also what was given up for it when it was obtained?

you think it was meaningless now that it is gone.

I have a TWU International vote yes flyer from previous T/A with concessions that claims increased job security was the best thing ever. Now it means nothing to the appointed pathetic UB continuance fools. wow

You want me to scan it and show it to you as a reminder?
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In 2001 we were pushing for some Scope language when Art Luby told me that as long as we has System protection we didn't need to get clear definitions in our scope language, I didn't agree because system protection erodes over time through attrition, this would allow the company to outsource more and more work as attrition reduces the number of people protected. He didn't think that getting the language was achievable or worth the effort and we should drop it and support the TA of 2001. Luby arguement was as long as you keep rolling the date up it was good language, after all if you have to keep the people you have to keep the work. Now we have people saying that it's meaningless, which is pretty much the exact same thing that Ream said (isn't it odd how people who claim to be union sound exactly like management some times.). IIRC we lost the 8 hour workday, vs the 8.5 we work now, the lump sum pension option and a few other things in exchange for Article 42.
 
High Speed Steel said:
The wonderful world of bankruptcy, where you get excused from your debt obligations....
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Other than ripping up contracts which can be looked at as debts even though the service or product has not yet been provided what debts have been wiped out? While a lot of the debt has been frozen how much has actually been wiped out? They still have to pay for what they have been using since they filed and in some cases they have to pay it as they go and likely at top dollar prices if they no longer have contracts. Companies are out there offering 20 cents on the dollar to buy AMR debt, why would they if they thought it was going to get wiped out?
 
High Speed Steel said:
I don't know what allowing observers would really accomplish in negotiations. For one. As 700UW noted at post #46. When confidential information is being discussed observers are asked to leave the room from what I would assume is his AMFA experience. Secondly I don't know what would restrict the parties from having those who wish to observe sign confidentuality statements, so what would you gain from having them there in the first place? I see it as only complicative to the end result and not essential to the outcome to have non-participants observing talks. Besides, lets say observers were allowed and the parties decide to have future negotiations in Tulsa, you fella's would be crying foul because you would fear your issues on the line would go ignored, or if negotiations were to be held in New York then the Tulsa folks would again cry foul for the same because they would fear their issues were being ignored. Also, those only being allowed to attend would most likely be from the negotiation host city and I don't think the company would be willing to fly folks all over the place, take them off the clock, just to sit there and be a non-particpant's. We elect our leaders to represent us and I don't think they need 24/7 day care to get the job done....just my spiel
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With us the negotiating committee, despite having signed Confidentiality Agreements still was "kept out of the room" when confidential information was discussed. Only the International was privy to that info, that came out in Court when the company admitted that they didn't share the info with regular negotiators, just the "High Level" ones, as they asked that I leave the room.
 
High Speed Steel said:
I elect delegates to represent me at the convention and make the votes to establish the postions. You can do that too odie....
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Not quite that simple. I was at the last Convention and what they did was lump all the resolutions the International didn't want into one motion to reject them all without debate at the end of the Convention. You had to motion to have the resolution even discussed without being allowed to say what the Resolution was about. Very disappointing, very undemocratic.
 
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